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Title: 1690 French burial
Post by: goldie61 on Sunday 22 June 25 23:53 BST (UK)

From the St Wallois register in Montreuil sur Mer.
22 Oct 1690 burial of Marie Lignier (image 262 on the St Walloy film 5 MIR 588/7).
https://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/v2/ad62/visualiseur/etat_civil.html?id=381170669

These M sur M registers have been transcribed - although they are prone to errors as one might expect, so it's always best to check.

Can anyone make out what it says after 'veuve de giraut'?
I know what the transcription says (!) but I don't want to colour anyone's ideas.

Thanks very much

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Monday 23 June 25 08:20 BST (UK)

I suggest : dit ....

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Monday 23 June 25 08:34 BST (UK)

Dit La Garene ( or gavene, qarene, qavene)

according to :
https://archivesenligne.pasdecalais.fr/v2/ad62/visualiseur/etat_civil.html?id=381170669
page 255

page 255 is the original
page 262 is the duplicate

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 23 June 25 10:51 BST (UK)

Thanks joger.
It's easier to see in the other 255 image you gave.
I don't know how you managed to fidn both of these!

The register transcripts have it as 'la garenne' too, which according to Google translate is a warren.
Just checking!

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Monday 23 June 25 12:56 BST (UK)

Quote from: goldie61 on Yesterday at 10:51

I don't know how you managed to fidn both of these!

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These M sur M registers have been transcribed .

Well, I never trust any transcription, always go and see the original registers ( digitized, since I am not living in Pas-de-Calais).

I enterred : Montreuil année 1690, which gave for St Walloy /:

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Monday 23 June 25 12:58 BST (UK)

and then selected
 

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Monday 23 June 25 12:59 BST (UK)

And then played around every 10 pages and finally found page 255 the original register , which comes before the copy ( page 262).

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: Zefiro on Monday 23 June 25 19:22 BST (UK)

Quote from: joger on Yesterday at 12:59

And then played around every 10 pages and finally found page 255 the original register , which comes before the copy ( page 262).

That's how I do it too. I start on random pages (usually 111, 222, 333, ...), and once I'm getting closer (meaning the year), I jump 10 pages at a time until I'm nearly there.

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 23 June 25 22:14 BST (UK)

Thanks  joger and Zefiro.

That's pretty much how I search too, but you seem much better at it than I am!
As I've said before, these images on the pas de Calais site take ages and ages to download - not like familysearch or other sites. I don't know why.

How did you know there was a copy lot of entries joger?
Are there copies of everything?

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Tuesday 24 June 25 08:48 BST (UK)

Quote from: goldie61 on Yesterday at 22:14

How did you know there was a copy lot of entries joger?
Are there copies of everything?

https://fr.geneawiki.com/wiki/Les_dessous_des_registres_paroissiaux?mobileaction=toggle_view_desktop

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Tuesday 24 June 25 08:55 BST (UK)

Usually the Archives Departementales specify if their digitized registers are those of the commune ( called collection communale ) or those of " the greffe" ( collection du greffe).
If they don't ,one can always ask them, and  go and see the original registers in the Mairie ( the original registers are those of the Commune, the "greffe collection" is the copy).

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Tuesday 24 June 25 09:32 BST (UK)

Quote from: goldie61 on Yesterday at 22:14

Thanks  joger and Zefiro.


As I've said before, these images on the pas de Calais site take ages and ages to download - not like familysearch or other sites. I don't know why.

I found this on the Pas de Calais site , may be it could help you:
https://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/S-informer/Aide/Le-visualiseur-des-archives-numerisees/Dysfonctionnements-du-visualiseur

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Tuesday 24 June 25 09:38 BST (UK)

https://www.archivespasdecalais.fr/S-informer/Aide/Le-visualiseur-des-archives-numerisees/Aide-au-visualiseur

click on "Par Vue"

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: joger on Tuesday 24 June 25 09:41 BST (UK)

And if it does not work , you could try to to access the site at different times of the night or day.

Title: Re: 1690 French burial
Post by: goldie61 on Tuesday 24 June 25 11:43 BST (UK)

Thanks for all the tips for the Pas de Calais archives enligne site joger.
I'll have another go tomorrow - late at night here now.