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Title: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: sigrid7 on Sunday 22 June 25 16:04 BST (UK)
Hi

Can anyone enlighten me please as to who is in the household with a Mabel Rowe age 5 on the 1891 census for Weybridge, Surrey and the address?

Thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 22 June 25 16:18 BST (UK)
She is with

Robert S Rowe 29 head occupation gardener (domestic)
Alice B 30 wife
Arthur D 2 son
a 12 day old son

plus 2 lodgers

living at Monument Green
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: sigrid7 on Sunday 22 June 25 16:23 BST (UK)
Thank you, Milliepede, much appreciated!

Unfortunately not mine  :(

Is anyone able to check out Pine Grove, Weybridge, Surrey for a Mabel bc 1886. I don't want to post the surname yet, because I have not been able to find this family and fear it has been mistranscribed.

Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 22 June 25 16:39 BST (UK)
The Mabel at Pine Grove is age 9  :-\


Possibly this person
HORSEY, MABEL  LUCY B...R    mmn BARNETT 
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in LEWISHAM  Volume 01D  Page 1162

(Freebmd have her as Mabel Lucy F)

Who are you looking for  :-\
 
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: TerriAnn on Sunday 22 June 25 16:53 BST (UK)
There are a few 5 year old Mabel's in Weybridge, Mabel Gosden, Mable Rowe, Mable Soundy.
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: sigrid7 on Sunday 22 June 25 18:20 BST (UK)
Thank you for you replies. I'm looking for Mabel Law, B1886, possibly living at Pine Grove, Weybridge, Surrey.

Who is with the Mabel at Pine grove please?
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: TerriAnn on Sunday 22 June 25 18:39 BST (UK)
Thank you for you replies. I'm looking for Mabel Law, B1886, possibly living at Pine Grove, Weybridge, Surrey.

Who is with the Mabel at Pine grove please?

Fredk Horsey 39   Head
Louisa Horsey 47   Wife
Florence M C Horsey 10   Daughter
Mabel L F Horsey   9   Daughter
Alice F Horsey 7   Daughter
Sophia C Mitani 22   Servant
Martha Crooke 24   Servant
Sarah Harriss 32   Servant
Eliza Hillmann 31   Servant
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: sigrid7 on Sunday 22 June 25 18:45 BST (UK)
Thank you Terri Ann, unfortunately it's not her  >:(
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: TerriAnn on Sunday 22 June 25 18:47 BST (UK)
Thank you Terri Ann, unfortunately it's not her  >:(

Is there someone else on the census your looking out for?
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 22 June 25 19:30 BST (UK)
Is she the Mabel Law bn Guildford R D mothers maiden surname Gurrey with a sister Ethel bn 1887
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: sigrid7 on Sunday 22 June 25 21:01 BST (UK)
Yes, that's correct. I've tried to narrow it down to find them on the 1891, but have never found them.
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 22 June 25 21:11 BST (UK)
Have you got the family in 1901? 

Any other children born around 1891 that might help with a location?

Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Milliepede on Sunday 22 June 25 21:24 BST (UK)
Are the family in Cheshire by 1901? 

Might be a coincidence but there is a Robert Law domestic gardener in 1911 with a daughter Mabel born Surrey which ties in with the Mabel Rowe option  :-\

The Law family seems to be missing in 1891 so just double checking. 
Son Horace born c1892 Weybridge Surrey and father Robert widowed by 1901. 

Sorry I can see the Rowe family later on so ignore that.
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 22 June 25 21:43 BST (UK)
Is she the Mabel Law bn Guildford R D mothers maiden surname Gurrey with a sister Ethel bn 1887
Yes, that's correct. I've tried to narrow it down to find them on the 1891, but have never found them.

Is this the marriage of her parents?

7 Jul 1885 All Saints Parish, Surrey
Sarah Ann GURNEY 30 Father Henry Gurney,labourer
Robert LAW, coachman father Peter, farmer
Henry & Mary Ann Gurney witnesses

Robert Law
Birth Date   28 Jun 1853
Baptism 24 Aug 1853 Kelsall Methodist Church, Cheshire, England
Father   Peter Law
Mother   Mary

Added - . on Anc* y

Marriage 13 Jul 1918 Kelsall, St. Philip
Mabel Law 32 Father   Robert Law, gardener
Spouse   Joseph Capstick

Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 22 June 25 22:00 BST (UK)
Sorry not found on 1891 census  ???

LAW, ROBERT  HEDLEY     mmn GURNEY 
GRO Reference: 1894  D Quarter in CHESTER  Volume 08A  Page 3

Robert Hedley Law
Baptism 18 Nov 1894 Kelsall, St. Philip
Father Robert Law, green grocer Mother Sarah Anne abode Kelsall

Sister Muriel Law Baptism 13 Aug 1893 same place & parents

LAW, MURIEL       GURNEY 
GRO Reference: 1893  S Quarter in CHESTER  Volume 08A  Page 411

Added this is the nearest birth I can find to 1891

LAW, MARY  ELIZABETH     GURNEY 
GRO Reference: 1890  J Quarter in CHERTSEY  Volume 02A  Page 33

May Elizabeth Law
Birth Date   20 Jan
Baptism Date   10 Apr 1890
Baptism Place   St James, Weybridge, Surrey
Father   Robert Law, coachman Mother   Sarah Anne abode Weybridge
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 23 June 25 04:22 BST (UK)
This is a much earlier thread on the family https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=293159.msg1757358#msg1757358
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 23 June 25 08:27 BST (UK)
This is a much earlier thread on the family https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=293159.msg1757358#msg1757358

Thanks Kay that confirms that parents were Robert & Sarah - still no luck though finding the family in 1891 ???

 A long shot obtaining the instant digital image 1890 birth certificate from GRO (£3.00) for daughter Mary Elizabeth Law might be helpful with an address, unfortunately her baptism only gives abode Weybridge  :-\

EDIT - obtaining son Horace birth certificate would be closer to 1891 census

LAW, HORACE       GURNEY 
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in CHERTSEY  Volume 02A  Page 41

Horace Law Birth 28 Jul
Baptism Date   13 Sep 1891 St James, Weybridge, Surrey
Father Robert occ coachman Law Mother   Sarah Ann abode Weybridge

 
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 23 June 25 09:14 BST (UK)
I must admit that I spent hours searching for the family and ended up getting Horace's birth cert image which was for Sept 1891.  The address was Pine Grove, Weybridge, Surrey and his father was a domestic coachman - which  didn't help much  :-\

Kay
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: sigrid7 on Monday 23 June 25 10:17 BST (UK)
Thanks very muchfor all your replies and the extra information regarding the baptisms, that is fantastic to have! I think they were still in Surrey for 1891, so why aren't they there? Yes, I am coming back to this query, and had an address of Pine Grove. If they are on the 1891 they must be terribly mistranscribed.  ???
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 23 June 25 23:04 BST (UK)
I must admit that I spent hours searching   for the family and ended up getting Horace's birth cert image which was for Sept 1891.  The address was Pine Grove, Weybridge, Surrey and his father was a domestic coachman - which  didn't help much  :-\

Kay

Kay - I’ve spent sometime again looking with loads of different variables to see if I could find the family in 1891 but they are very elusive indeed  ???
That was really nice of you to purchase the digital image of Horace’s birth to give their address - were they just missed off I wonder  :-\

This should be the family
Robert Law born c1853 Kelsall occ coachman
Sarah Anne born c1855 London
Ethel born c1887 Guildford
Mabel born c 1886 Guildford
Eveline born c1889 Guildford
Mary Elizabeth born c1890 >>>>bpt Weybridge father occ coachman

Horace born c1891  >>>>bpt. Weybridge Father occ coachman>>>b/c abode Pine Street
Muriel born c1893 >>>>bpt Kelsall father occ green grocer
Robert Hedley born c1895>>>>bpt Kelsall father occ green grocer
All have either mmn Gurrey/Gurney on GRO
Robert LAW 30, occ coachman  & Sarah Ann GURNEY married 1885

Marriage 2 Oct 1915 Kelsall, St. Philip
Eveline Law 25 Father   Robert Law, occ gardener
Spouse   Ellis Walker
One witness Mary Elizabeth Law
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/233902526/eveline-walker

Marriage 8 Jun 1922 Altrincham, St. John the Evangelist
Muriel Law 26 Father   Robert Law occ gardener
Spouse   William Chaddock
One witness Mary Elizabeth Law

Marriage 22 Jul 1924 Kelsall, St. Philip
Robert Hedley Law 29, grocer’s assistant Father Robert Law occ gardener
Spouse   Mabel Emily Pine
Three witnesses, 2 were Mary Elizabeth Law & Robert Law









Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 24 June 25 04:02 BST (UK)
I agree that the family were missed off from the census.   They were possibly moving at the time of the census or simply away.   Have looked through most of the images and the enumerators writing is fairly good so sadly don't think they were mistranscribed  :-\
Title: Re: Rowe on census 1891
Post by: sigrid7 on Tuesday 24 June 25 07:38 BST (UK)
I've been going over all the details you have all found, and thank you so much Kay99, especially for purchasing the digital image, I never expected that and also for going through the images and Ladyhawk, Millipede, Rosie99 and Terri Ann for all your time and help.  They must have been moving, as advised by Kay99, as I noticed addresses were Pine grove and also Pine street so I am thinking they were two separate addresses. Thanks so very much for all your replies, it is much appreciated. I think this one has been 'solved' thanks to your help, input and advice. I will be going over all the info you have all supplied again and will be noting it
down.