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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northamptonshire => Topic started by: DonnaLou84 on Friday 20 June 25 17:35 BST (UK)
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The joys of finding relatives continues...
Yesterday I discovered that seemingly, my grandfather had an adoptive brother!
His birth shows as this:
First name: Frederick J
Last name Arbon
Birth registration year 1924
Volume 3B
Page 301
Registration quarter 1
Mother's maiden name: Arbon
It's almost a physical impossibility for him to be a biological child, as my grandfather was born in June 1923, and his mother would have been pregnant instantly, and given birth early for Fredrick to be hers....
He passed in service, in 1944
https://losses.internationalbcc.co.uk/loss/200572/
This names his next of kin as : A. Arbon
the website reads:
Son of Mr. and Mrs. A. Arbon, of Peterborough, Northamptonshire. Grandson of Mr. and Mrs. Alfred Arbon, of Peterborough.
In 1939 he was living with, who I assume to be his adoptive grandparents Alfred Arbon and Frances Arbon(nee Deboo) at 45 Hankey Street, Peterborough.
It's a bit of a puzzle, as timeline wise, I would imagine he was raised with 'children' his own age(my grandfather and siblings), however as 3 generations of Arbon men were called Alfred, it's hard to know who he was adopted by.
Any help is much appreciated.
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There's a small article about "Freddy"
Peterborough Standard 22 September 1944
There was a memorial service for him and another pal, both had been connected with the Young Peoples Corp; the service was held at the Salvation Army Citadel.
He is also remembered
Peterborough Standard 02 May 1947
no family names given
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The way the birth is registered is suggestive of a birth to an unmarried mother. Is it possible that he's the son of a sister of your great grandfather, and so a cousin of your grandfather?
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You can download a copy of the 1924 birth cert for £3 which will give his mothers christian name
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You can download a copy of the 1924 birth cert for £3 which will give his mothers christian name
I've just gone onto the GRO site and even just putting in Arbon, and no first name there is no record of his birth, yet on find my past, it's there...odd!
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The way the birth is registered is suggestive of a birth to an unmarried mother. Is it possible that he's the son of a sister of your great grandfather, and so a cousin of your grandfather?
Having a look at the surrounding family, my grandfather had 3 Arbon aunts, so the sister of the adoptive father
Frances E Arbon 20 at the time of the birth
Alice E Arbon 18 at the time of the birth
Florence Arbon 9 at the time of the birth
So we can discount Florence in being the mother of Fredrick
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There's a small article about "Freddy"
Peterborough Standard 22 September 1944
There was a memorial service for him and another pal, both had been connected with the Young Peoples Corp; the service was held at the Salvation Army Citadel.
He is also remembered
Peterborough Standard 02 May 1947
no family names given
That has narrowed it slightly, he is listed as the son of my 2xgt grandparents, not my gt greatparents.
However, it would still suggest the same possible parents, being one of their daughters.
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In your opening post you give a birth ref for him - where is that from as it gives no registration district
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In your opening post you give a birth ref for him - where is that from as it gives no registration district
The family resided in Peterborough.
I have searched using that info, comes up with nothing, I've searched just Arbon boys born 1924 +1, nothing...it comes up with many people but none that aline with Fredrick
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It’s there on freebmd - give me a few minutes to see if I can find it on the GRO site
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It’s there on freebmd - give me a few minutes to see if I can find it on the GRO site
Thank you, that's very kind.
All I can see is that the maiden name of the mother was/is Arbon
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I've checked the full GRO index & the freebmd entry is correct. Unfortunately no matter what permutation of name I use on the GRO site - it shows "not found"
I have used the "similar & phonetically similar" options & even showed him as a female but no joy.
Think you may have to ring the GRO
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I've checked the full GRO index & the freebmd entry is correct. Unfortunately no matter what permutation of name I use on the GRO site - it shows "not found"
I have used the "similar & phonetically similar" options & even showed him as a female but no joy.
Think you may have to ring the GRO
Thank you so much for looking, I will call them on Monday as it's frustrating now the not knowing
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I've checked the full GRO index & the freebmd entry is correct. Unfortunately no matter what permutation of name I use on the GRO site - it shows "not found"
I have used the "similar & phonetically similar" options & even showed him as a female but no joy.
Think you may have to ring the GRO
Spoke to the GRO, they are as perplexed as to why they don't have the info, as the sites like ancestry etc, get their info from them...
I am at a total loss as to my next move....
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I've checked the full GRO index & the freebmd entry is correct. Unfortunately no matter what permutation of name I use on the GRO site - it shows "not found"
I have used the "similar & phonetically similar" options & even showed him as a female but no joy.
Think you may have to ring the GRO
Spoke to the GRO, they are as perplexed as to why they don't have the info, as the sites like ancestry etc, get their info from them...
I am at a total loss as to my next move....
Well....this could be why....
''He compared them to FreeBMD, a website run by the charity Free UK Genealogy which has published its own transcriptions of the GRO's original printed indexes.
Mr Calver found that over 7,000 birth entries from volume 4A of the July-September quarter of 1881 had been duplicated in volume 3B, whilst over 5,000 entries that should have appeared in 3B were missing.''
but then....
"Customers should be reassured that any issue with entries in the online index will not prevent them from ordering certificates from the General Register Office where they have identified the index reference number from another source."
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A bit confusing so not exactly sure what he is saying - but it's not the freebmd transcription that's wrong as the full GRO index entry shows exactly the same details??
Also - this birth was 1924 not 1881??
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A bit confusing so not exactly sure what he is saying - but it's not the freebmd transcription that's wrong as the full GRO index entry shows exactly the same details??
I'm unsure why it isn't showing. it's making absolutely no sense at this point...
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If it's on the full GRO index - I wonder why can't they find it??
Here's the link
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8782/records/37875452
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If it's on the full GRO index - I wonder why can't they find it??
Here's the link
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8782/records/37875452
No idea, even the lady at GRO was confused..