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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: chempat on Thursday 19 June 25 21:44 BST (UK)
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This is from the 1911 census and may be a child born with the mother's maiden name. The Father died on the Titanic and the claim is the parents never married and the mother's fate was unknown.
Any guesses for first or surname, please.
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The surname looks like Instance. The first name might be Will’m?
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There's a birth for a William INSTANCE 1909 Southampton with corresponding death in 1994- so the surviving child of the three just not at home that night?
(William and Joseph appear to be twins, with a death of a Joseph 1909 in South Stoneham?)
That said, there is a census that could be the above William, living with his father (Mr INSTANCE...), a widower. (Any chance your people didn't marry because she was already married...?)
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OK, the father of the above William was Joe Joseph INSTANCE. Perhaps the William on the census wasn't a child of hers, but they looked after William for his widowed father, accidentally put him down on the census when he was at home that night, and crossed him out?
They were neighbours. The DICKSONs lived at no10, INSTANCE at no13.
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On an unrelated note, I was flicking through other neighbours and came across this- I think I feel unwell :'(
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Thank-you for that. She could have been still married to someone else, yes.
If that child does belong to the neighbour I wonder where their surviving child was and why not with them. Oh, well.
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On an unrelated note, I was flicking through other neighbours and came across this- I think I feel unwell :'(
Imagine sitting there and counting them up.
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Does it read 17 children born and 6 still living - which should make 11 died?
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Does it read 17 children born and 6 still living - which should make 11 died?
That’s why I was imagining the counting… I’ve a family similar. Where they clearly lost count.
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That said, there is a census that could be the above William, living with his father (Mr INSTANCE...), a widower. (Any chance your people didn't marry because she was already married...?)
The William Instance next door with his father has been added in a different hand. So it does look as if he moved between households, and there was a bit of confusion where he was on census night. Or he was really with Mrs Dickson, but they thought he ought to be listed with his father.
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Picture of Oriental Terrace
http://sotonopedia.wikidot.com/page-browse:oriental-terrace
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Portsmouth Evening News, 13 Oct 1936
A separate newspaper report gives his age as 27 (born c.1909)
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Orchard place running roughly N-S
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=17.6&lat=50.89829&lon=-1.40097&layers=168&b=MapTilerStr&o=100
I think Oriental terrace is roughly E-W at end of Charlotte Street
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No sorry, Oriental T is further west, Northern edge of Hartley University College. You can see it if you overlay with Google satellite hybrid map
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Does it read 17 children born and 6 still living - which should make 11 died?
I puzzled over that... I wondered if she counted stillbirths in the "children that have died" column. :'(
Going back to the original family, is there anything else we can help with? The two questions implied are- their actual children and mother's maiden name?
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Thank-you for that. She could have been still married to someone else, yes.
If that child does belong to the neighbour I wonder where their surviving child was and why not with them. Oh, well.
What age would the surviving child be? I can see one called William in 1901 with what looks to be the same Martha. He is 7, so would be about 17 in 1911, old enough to live independently, or be working away from home on census night.
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The William in 1901 could also have died and 2 more children born between 1901 and 1911.
I had hoped that even if that William was registered under a different surname he might have been baptised somewhere with 'correct' parents or just Martha but not getting anywhere.
It does not matter, I was just being side-tracked.
Thank-you
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I'm thinking this migt be him in 1901 with his wife Martha and son William..Apologies if you know a bout it.
William Dickson
Sex Male
Age 25
Birth Year (Estimated) 1876
Birthplace Southampton, Hampshire
Marital Status Married
Occupation SHIP'S FIREMAN
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Event Type Census
Event Date 31 Mar 1901
Event Place Southampton St Mary, Hampshire, England, United Kingdom
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That said, there is a census that could be the above William, living with his father (Mr INSTANCE...), a widower. (Any chance your people didn't marry because she was already married...?)
The William Instance next door with his father has been added in a different hand. So it does look as if he moved between households, and there was a bit of confusion where he was on census night. Or he was really with Mrs Dickson, but they thought he ought to be listed with his father.
A relative of mine was on two census returns in 1871. He was down as being at his parents' and also with his in-laws (with his wife).