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William Harris Devenport buried 1881 Witton Cemetery, Birmingham is listed by some as father of Robert James Davenport b. 1868 (who married Kate Silvester)
Does the name William Harris Devenport mean an adopted father ? ie real father is Harris, later step father is Devenport ?
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“Is listed by some”
If you are quoting from somebody else's family tree you need to do your own research as many trees are full of incorrect info. You don’t appear to have used any of the available free resources to answer your questions
If Robert was b 1868 - have you looked him up on the 1871 & 1881 censuses to establish his parents names? No info given by you as to where Robert was born?
No info given by you as to how old William was when he died?
As Williams death was registered in the June qtr 1881 - have you looked him up in the 1871 & 1881 censuses to see if he had a son Robert?
Who did Robert name as his father when he married? When & where was the marriage to Kate Silvester?
Have you investigated the different spellings of the surname??
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Robert's marriage cert. says father was William Davenport , Miner. I was simply wondering what the justification for William Harris Devenport born 1838 Dublin could be ? I can't find any justification for it.
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If Robert was b 1868 - have you looked him up on the 1871 & 1881 censuses to establish his parents names? No info given by you as to where Robert was born?
Do you have an answer to the above?
I was simply wondering what the justification for William Harris Devenport born 1838 Dublin could be
Explain what you mean by "justification" You have given no realistic info that links William Harris DEvonprt & Robert James DAvenport
Please post 1871 & 1881 entries for both
When & where was the marriage to Kate Silvester?
Are you able to answer that question
What is the connection to your FH?
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Unsure where William Davenport lived when Robert was born in 1868. Robert James Davenport did work and marry in Birmingham but his early life is something of a mystery. However there has always been an "irishness" about his line.
Did they originally leave Ireland due to the famine - perhaps so.
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A tree on Family Search (but no sources given) gives Robert's father as William Devenport
Birth: 1838 Dublin, Ireland
Death: 1881Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom
(ie he died 10 years before Robert's marriage to Kate Sylvester)
The corresponding GRO death record is
DEVENPORT, WILLIAM HARRIS 42
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 95
But no sources given on Family Search
Hence my original question about Harris as a middle name, does it signify something ?
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As requested in earlier reply - what is your connection to these people?
Countless people have surnames as middle names. Mothers maiden name was a popular choice as were the surnames of other family members & friends so nothing unusual about it. It’s not clear why you are trying to “justify” his middle name
You haven’t yet said whether you have found the family in 1871 & 1881 or given info as to where Robert was born or married?
As advised in my opening reply - do your own research based on your own facts - not others.
Contact the tree owner & ask where they got the info from. Many people just copy other peoples trees so errors are replicated
Download a digital copy of the 1881 death cert to see who reported the death etc
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Going to stop here, no wiser than before.
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Mainly because you haven't answered the questions in my replies
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For very little effort the poster could have found out that Robert was illegitimate, mother Mary Ann. As for marrying Kate Silvester that takes the biscuit.
SS
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Precisely🙄🙄
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For very little effort the poster could have found out that Robert was illegitimate, mother Mary Ann. As for marrying Kate Silvester that takes the biscuit.
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Is Mary Ann's surname definitely Davenport ?
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Isn't the mother Margaret Davenport?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1867/03490/2282712.pdf
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It’s Robert James Devenport born - 1868 Wigan- no mmm . Baptism image online and appears with mother in 1871 census
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It’s Robert James Devenport born - 1868 Wigan- no mmm . Baptism image online and appears with mother in 1871 census
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Thank you. Perhaps Robert's mother took him to relatives working in Wigan coalfield.
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A tree on Family Search (but no sources given) gives Robert's father as William Devenport
Birth: 1838 Dublin, Ireland
Death: 1881Warwickshire, England, United Kingdom
(ie he died 10 years before Robert's marriage to Kate Sylvester)
The corresponding GRO death record is
DEVENPORT, WILLIAM HARRIS 42
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 95
Does anybody have his cause of death available ? (he was a miner and was only 42 when he died, possible mining accident that might not be apparent on death cert.)
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Download a digital image of the death cert for £3 or contact the tree owner to see if they have it.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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Download a digital image of the death cert for £3 or contact the tree owner to see if they have it.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
Exactly
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I haven't been able to identify the colliiery where he worked and so cannot check for a mining accident (s)
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His death cert is unlikely to give you that type of info. See reply 6 last month which also suggested downloading the death cert.
How do you know it was a mining accident if you don't have his cause of death?
You have not answered the earlier questions re 1871/1881 details
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Looking for clues about his working life (only 42 when he died)
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See reply above.
Re his working life - Look him up on the censuses like we all have to do to get info about our ancestors.
Where is his "son" Robert in 1871 & 1881? You have already been told that Robert was iillegitimate so have you considered the possibility he made up a fathers name when he married & that William doesn't actually exist?
You have already said in earlier replies that Roberts m/cert shows father as William DAvenport so why are you researching William HARRIS DEvenport??
Roberts children have surname Davenport
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For very little effort the poster could have found out that Robert was illegitimate, mother Mary Ann. As for marrying Kate Silvester that takes the biscuit.
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I haven't found it "very little effort" , I still haven't seen a Mary Ann
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Suggest you read all the replies in this post again
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okay, no problem
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Isn't the mother Margaret Davenport?
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1867/03490/2282712.pdf
This birthdate is the same as the 1939 record for Robert in Birmingham.
I don’t think he has sny connection with Wigan, although he gives various places as his birthplace in the censuses.
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Another child, James, born to Margaret ‘Devenport’, Clonlum, Meigh, Armagh
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1870/03327/2219743.pdf
Death of Margaret Devenport - 1883. She may be the Margaret, mother of Robert James
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06356/4823771.pdf
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Another child, James, born to Margaret ‘Devenport’, Clonlum, Meigh, Armagh
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1870/03327/2219743.pdf
Death of Margaret Devenport - 1883. She may be the Margaret, mother of Robert James
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06356/4823771.pdf
Heywood, thank you. BOTH births (Robert & James) have no father entered , this is puzzling me greatly. I can understand one but two over several years , I can't understand it.
Death Cert. cleary states that Margaret was a Servant , died at only 35, father Hamilton Devenport. (Perhaps domestic service is the key to the anonymity of her "husband" / partner on both of her sons birth cert. )