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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Raybistre on Tuesday 17 June 25 17:34 BST (UK)
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Hi all, I have decided that some assistance is needed on this one.
I have a birth of a Violet Rose on the 24th October 1901 at 4 Gladstone Buildings, Eversley Rd, Aston. The birth was registered by the mother on the 4th December 1901 of the same address in the Aston Registration District. The father is recorded as William Joseph Young, a Confectioner Journeyman and the mother as Mary Ann Young formerly Davies. I think the child was adopted by the time of the 1911 census and if I am right appears under a different name in that census.
I have not been able to find the parents in the 1901 census.
There is a possible marriage in the Pontypridd Registration District, Qtr 1, 1894.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Ray
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If they married in 1894 have you checked GRO online for any other Young births with mmn Davies
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1897 birth Aston William Joseph Young
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I note there are two marriages for that couples names.
Marriages Dec 1892
DAVIES Mary Ann to Young William Joseph
Holywell 11b 457
Marriages Mar 1894
Davies Mary Ann to Young William Joseph
Pontypridd 11a 721
Colin
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The couple married at Holywell had no children registered there.
The couple married at Pontypridd, Twin boys 1895 two other sons 1898 & 1900.
Colin
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I cannot find them on 1901/1911 census but boys names might help others.
PONTYPRIDD mmn DAVIES
CHARLES & EBENEZER PETER Q1/1895
WILLIAM Q2/1898, IVOR JAMES Q4/1900
Colin
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Possible death of one twin
Deaths Dec 1897 (>99%)
Young Ebenezer Peter 2 Knighton 11b 93
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Colin, Young and Davies seem to be quite common names and marriages between couples of that surname are not uncommon. Not sure if William Joseph Young was the spouse of Mary Ann Davies as 4 people on the page in 1894. Can't be the couple I am looking for if they were in Aston in 1897 not Knighton.
Carole, thanks for finding William Joseph Young b. 4 April 1897. I have downloaded the digital image. The address is 2 Windsor St, Aston and the father's occupation is Baker Journeyman, parents names identical.
I am tracing a DNA match and it connects to the side of my family that originates in South Wales and the West Country which is why I was drawn to the Pontypridd marriage. I also have Davies ancestors in South Wales.
Ray
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In 1901 at 11, West Street, Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England, is this couple. (I believe Polly is a reasonably common nickname for someone named Mary)
William Young Visitor Married Male 28 1873 Confectioner Walsall, Staffordshire,
Pollie Young Visitor Married Female 26 1875 - Wales
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I do believe you have cracked it mckha489. The place of birth of Polly is Lwynypia in the Rhondda Valley where I have a Mary Ann Davies born in my tree at about the right date. I shall go ahead now and order the 1894 Pontypridd marriage certificate.
Ancestry has the surname of William and Pollie (sic) as Goring.
Will have to look now as to what happened to William Joseph Young born 4th April 1897 as he is not with his parents in 1901.
Thanks to all.
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Is this William Joseph Youngs death.
SS
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Which makes one wonder if Ebenezer Peter is theirs after all.
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Here is William Joseph in 1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7PW-Q37?lang=en New wife, so presumably Mary/Pollie died?
He appears still to be alive in 1921, saying he is married. He's with a relative in Salford. That person has a young daughter Violet Rose Young, so the name clearly is important to them
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Ivor Young looks to be a nurse child in North Evington, Leicester in 1901. Place of birth Blaenclydach
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This may be of no use but below is a 1911 census in Aston for a Violet Rose Ford. As far as I can see no birth for that name in Aston. It might be worth a look?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZZ-3C9?lang=en
Colin
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I suspect Violet Rose Young b.24th Oct 1901 appears as 9 yr old Cissie Davies in the 1911 census, the adopted daughter of James Rees Davies, Baptist Minister in Abercynon, Glamorgan.
On her marriage she is recorded as Violet Young Davis, her father as James Reese Davis, Baptist Minister. The mother's maiden names recorded on the births of her children are Young-Davies and Davies. Her death certificate records her forenames as Violet Rose. If her mother, Mary Ann Young, is who I now suspect she is, James Rees Davies would be Mary Ann's father's half brother and Mary Ann would be my grandmother's sister.
William Joseph Young seems to have wanderlust. Walsall, Rhondda Valley, Aston, Knighton, Rhondda Valley, Aston, Nottingham, New Tredegar, Salford and probably lots of places in between.
I need to order more documentation, births and the all important marriage certificate.
Presumably Mary Ann Young died between December 1901 and the remarriage of William Joseph Young in the first quarter of 1906. The death could be anywhere with the family moving about so much. Many thanks all for the help given, Ray
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I’ve been looking for a death for Mary Ann/Poll*. There are several consistent with a year of birth 1875, all over the place, but I feel we can rule,out Northumberland and Wiltshire at first pass anyway.
And wonder about
Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
Young Mary Ann 29 Bridgend 11a 390
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Does look good. Thank you. The burial was in the parish of Newcastle, Glamorgan.
Mary Ann Young age 29 yrs of Aberkenfig buried April 14th 1904.
I have ordered the 1894 marriage certificate and will wait for that before ordering any more certificates.
Ray
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This may be of no use but below is a 1911 census in Aston for a Violet Rose Ford. As far as I can see no birth for that name in Aston. It might be worth a look?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZZ-3C9?lang=en
Colin
Meant to post this earlier, but just to confirm Violet in this link belongs to the family she's with. siblings also have mmn Francis
FORD, VIOLET ROSE
mmn FRANCIS
Q1 1900
ASTON Volume 06D Page 482