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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Lizzy on Monday 16 June 25 09:38 BST (UK)
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Good Morning All,
My request is regarding my Grandad John Unsworth born in 1895 in Lowton.
About 2006 as I knew nothing about him I messaged rootschat with a photo of his cap badge. The badge was the Royal Field Artillery and I was told there were 5 John Unsworth. I could not find out which he was so I put him on hold. I have now found out more. Out of the 5 I have eliminated 3.
38345, 92199, 32044. That leaves me with 2. 1227/690456 which the internet says his number must be West Lancashire, was a territorial and left for France Sept 1915. The other 5682 who left for Egypt July 1915 was act corporal.
I have found in 1921, still in the army at the above Candy (Meanei) barracks.
I cannot find anything about which RFA is stationed in the 1920s at these barracks. The census did not give details of his reg number.
Can anyone out there give me a little help of where I can find research or a clue to which John it could be out of the 2 left.
p.s there is another 1921 census for a John Unsworth who was stationed in Ireland.
Regards Lizzy
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In case it helps someone else following this up, the 1921 census entry at Meanei, Hyderabad is for
John Unsworth, 25, born Lowton, gunner, 1 8/12 Army RFA
and the person making the return is Lt Col. Lawrence Wrey Savile RFA.
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The " 1 8/12 " would appear to indicate his period of service. One year and 8 months. Suggests that he enlisted circa November 1919. (Census return signed 22 July 1921)
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Here we go. 104935 John Unsworth, a miner from Lowton, attested 11/12/1919 at Warrington aged 24 and 4 months. Father David, 16 Church Lane, Lowton.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FROYALART%2F1040001-1041000%2F00159&parentid=GBM%2FROYALART%2F83864
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Former service in RH and RFA 1/4/14 to 10/12/19. Former service number 56?2. Presumably 5682.
Discharged 18/11/22 at Woolwich. Address 7 Church Lane, Lowton
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Perhaps apply for his records?
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/mod-open-foi-request-step1
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1921
7 Church Lane, Lowton
there is a Jane Harriet Unsworth 23, niece of the head of household (not named Unsworth)
12 Church Lane, Lowton
no-one named Unsworth there
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Father David is at 10 Church Lane in the 1921 census (at least I assume it's the right family):
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBC%2F1921%2FRG15%2F18422%2F0105&parentid=GBC%2F1921%2FRG15%2F18422%2F0105%2F01
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Discharged under Para 392(xxv)
https://military-researcher.co.uk/KingsRegs1912/para-25.html
Gnr ( presumably Gunner)
? Without Gratuity
Indifferent
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Its me Lizzy
Thank you all for what you have replied. Thats more than I had this morning. His father was David who was born in Milton and in 1921 was living at 10 Church Lane.
I will go through what you have sent me and see how I get on trying to understand it. Actually I am at a family history meeting tomorrow and we have been asked to talk about a subject we are stuck on. Grandad John was and still is my subject.
Again thank you all
Lizzy
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P.S
7 Church Lane Lowton is my Grandad Johns auntie. My uncle once told me that John did not get on with his father so maybe he gave a different address for leaving the army. Just a guess.
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Indifferent
Apologies for going off at a tangent but I’ve always wondered about this ShaunJ —is it negative or is it neutral?
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@Lizzy
Good luck with your talk!
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Indifferent
Apologies for going off at a tangent but I’ve always wondered about this ShaunJ —is it negative or is it neutral?
No it's not neutral. Here's an extract from King's Regs 1914 on the subject.
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Thanks!
Have you come across many examples of ‘exemplary’?
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Have you come across many examples of ‘exemplary’?
No, not really. Mostly with senior NCOs having completed 21/22 years. The grading and pen picture appeared in the soldier's AF B2067 (character reference) which was given to him on discharge. Only the grading was recorded on his AF B268 (Proceedings on Discharge) or AF B2056 (Proceedings on Transfer to 1st Class Army Reserve) - which ever was applicable - and these are the most likely documents which we will encounter in our research.
My great grandfather left the Regular Army with his LS&GC as a Colour Sergeant after 22 years but was only graded very good. He then went on to serve on the permanent staff of a Volunteer Rifle Regiment as RSM after which he was graded excellent. Not that it was much use to him as he didn't need to look for a civilian job when he left because he had a reasonable pension after 37 year's service.