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Elizabeth Shelert, father's name Cecil, marries Oliver Lee Dec Q1876 Gateshead RD.
I can't find Cecil nor anyone else with the surname Shelert - anyone any thoughts on what it could be a mishearing of?
I thought maybe Shelter but that's not finding Cecil or Elizabeth for me.
It kind of sounds like Shallot (as in those small onions or the Lady of Shallot) but that's not finding me lots of people with the surname either.
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Do you have the marriage certificate ?
That would give, ages for the bride and groom, occupations for them (if any) and those of their fathers
Witnesses could also give clues. If the Bride could write her name that may be clearer than the. usually already filled in, entry by the minister/parish clerk ready for the signatures.
Do you have them in Census returns after the marriage?
That could supply you with birthplaces which may produce a clue.
Did they have children that you know of? What does the GRO say about their MMN?
All questions rather than an answer for you but exploring the above may lead somewhere.
Boo
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In case it helps, in censuses she gives her birthplace as Lincoln, and in 1891 she specifies Kirton.
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Baptised 12th April 1893, Southwick, Durham. Parents Oliver & Elizabeth
LEE, LEMENTINA mmn CHARLOTTE
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 723
Lots of baptisms on FindMyPast for Oliver & elizabeth Lee but hard to find birth registrations.
Just adding this --nor sure quite why
LEE, STORY OLIVER
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 527
SS
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Hi
There are a lot of family tree entries for Oliver Lee at Ancestry.
His wife Elizabeth and her linked family have an array of surname variations:
Sherlot
Charlot/te
Sharlott
Shelert
and the list goes on.
Hard work ahead!
Rebel
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There's a family living in a "gypsy camp" in 1891 at Church Fenton Yks, which I am drawn to
Father is Cistance Sharlott 66 born Burford Oxfordshire, a besom maker & tinware dealer, wife Lemontina and they have a son William born Kirton
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Public tree for Elizabeth daughter of Cystance or Sistance Charlotte
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/74359454/person/362325401332/facts
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A Lemontina Lee married an Edgar Sharlott Q1 1914 Halifax.
Some of the Lee children births were registered in Halifax (e.g. Alexander bapt as Alick)
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Limontina’s husband?
Edgar Sharlott bapt 13 July 1893, Royston St John (West Riding)
father Aaron Sharlott, miner
mother Lavinia Sharlott
no fixed residence
[One of the children of Oliver and Elizabeth Lee was named Aaron.]
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Baptism in 1846 Beebsy in the Marsh, Lincolnshire
For Selina SHARLOTT, daughter of Cistan and Lemmentine SHARLOTT
Chair mender, Traveller Parish unknown
Baptism 1849 Welton Lincolnshire
For James CHARLOTTE son of Leiston and Lamentina CHARLOTTE
Elizabeth Clayton
Baptism 25 Aug 1851 Kirton in Lindsey, Lincolnshire
Daughter of Clementina Clayton
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP8L-N7QQ?lang=en
Leontina CLAYTON baptism 10 June 1827 Stanton-On-The-Wolds, Nottingham
Parents John and Fanny
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John CHARLOTTE (age 77) burial 3 Apr 1860 Kirton in Lindsey
John was “married” to Sophia
Sophia CHARLOTTE (age 99) burial 9 Jan 1887 Kirton in Lindsey
I see the family have been recorded often as “Gypsies” or “travellers” or “Vagrants”
• The first child I could see was Helena CHARLOTTE baptised 1817 in in Gamlingay Cambridgeshire
Then there is a gap during which Leiston / Cistance Charlotte was born abt 1821-1825 possibly in Cambridgeshire or Oxfordshire
• Baptism for Elizabeth CHARLOT 1831 Billinghay Lincolnshire
• Baptism for John CHARLOT 1834 Welton le Marsh Lincolnshire
• Baptism for James CHARLOT 1835 in Scredington, Lincolnshire
• Baptism for John CHARLOTT 1838 in Hawerby Lincolnshire
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Cistance (Cecil) / Leiston CHARLOTTE was “married” to Leontina CLAYTON
Leontina CLAYTON baptised 10 June 1827 Stanton-on-the-Wolds, Nottinghamshire
Daughter of John and Fanny / Frances (gypsies)
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There's a tree here with some useful sources attached
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/LX3H-3DV
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Thanks very much everyone for all of the above.
I have Oliver Lee's line - I'm helping an older person with their family history - so now need to do these "SHELERTs" - lots of work as someone said to follow throgh on these.
Once again many thanks