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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: roycymru on Sunday 15 June 25 13:04 BST (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone recognise the location in the second from bottom entry? It looks like Glamorganshire, Llannddas, but that can’t be correct. This is the actual page it’s from https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/8768/images/CMNRG9_4112_4115-0139?pid=13831692
Thank you
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Can you post details so that I can access the source document?
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Is this enough?
1861
RD Llanelly
ED 8
piece 4113
folio 7
page 8
schedule no. 43
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I enlarged it to 300%, but it1s difficult to read.
Is it Llanidloes?
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I enlarged it to 300%, but it1s difficult to read.
Is it Llanidloes?
I was coming to the same conclusion - (but not Glam!)
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Not finding her in 1851 so far .All of her approx age are b. Llanelly!
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I saw "Llanidloes" at first pass but wrong part of the world - provided the enumerator knew his onions?
Didn't the enumerator identify/confirm County?
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RoyC says
It looks like Glamorganshire, Llannddas, but that can’t be correc
It does look like GlamorganS but would the enumerator* know where (say) Llanidloes was ?? A good number of my ancestors were from Montgomeryshire, so I recognized it! Also, I've not found her in the 1851.
* or the informant
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It is a tricky one. The entry is for a Mary Williams widow age 78, with her are daughters Martha 28 and Sarah 30, both born Llanelly. She was married to a William Williams born abt 1781 Kidwelly. I can’t find her in 1851, so nothing to compare with. In 1851 she is not with her husband, who is at No. 6 Caemain, Llanelly with daughters Margaret age 30, Martha age 19 and nephew William Williams age 10 and Neice Mary Jane Rees age 10m all born Llanelly. In 1841 William, Mary and their children are again at Caemain. In 1841 it says “Y” for Mary to “if born in county”, this obviously contradicts the 1861 entry but the entry in 1861 specifically states ‘xxx’ Glamorganshire, so I think the “Y” in 1841 is probably an error?
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Just a thought..wonder if it could be Llanmorlais?
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/GLA/Llanrhidian/Llanmorlais
Genuki - Llanelli, Carmarthenshire is 4 miles (6 Km) NW of Llanmorlais, Glamorgan
This is measured directly between the two points 'as the crow flies' ignoring any geographical features such as rivers or hills.
Cas
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Is there a marriage record available for Mary and Willam so that we can get a maiden surname for Mary?
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Lllanmadoc?
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Is there a marriage record available for Mary and Willam so that we can get a maiden surname for Mary?
Trying to identify a marriage has been frustratingly difficult. The earliest known son is David born around 1818. Mary was born around 1788, this gives us a large window of around 1806 to 1817 for the marriage. You can search on Findmypast for free for parish marriages (and look at the results) https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-united-kingdom-records-in-birth-marriage-death-and-parish-records/and_parish-marriages.
Results can be narrowed by “record set” e.g. Carmarthenshire marriages. There is also the possibility that if Mary was really from Glamorganshire then the marriage took place there instead. There is no marriage in Kidwelly or Llanelli (the obvious places given William in 1851 states he was born Kidwelly and in 1841 they are in Llanelly and children are born there). In the Glamorganshire records I can’t find a suitable candidate either e.g. one that may say William Williams of Kidwelly/Llanelly.
Another thing to add to the mix is that in 1817 Mary would have been around 29 and William around 36, so either or both could have married before and/or there are earlier unknown children. There is also a gap in the known births. We have
David 1818
John 1820
Margaret 1821
Sarah 1829
Martha 1832
So the gap between Margaret and Sarah could indicate Mary of “Glamorgan” was a second marriage that happened 1822-1828, which I haven’t investigated yet