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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: trevorwnz on Friday 13 June 25 09:07 BST (UK)
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Greetings I have the death record of Thomas Walmsley, he died in Ashton but I can't find the place of berial. He was baptised at the Parochial Chapel of Walton in the Parish of Blackburn, Lancashire and married at Saint Peter 's Church, Liverpool. His wife was babtised C of E at Lancaster, St Mary, Lancashire. Can you advise where to search for the burial of Thomas Walmsley?
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From Lancsopc
Burial: 27 Mar 1839 St John, Preston, Lancashire
Thomas Walmsley -
Age: 75
Abode: Ashton
Buried By: Roger Carus Wilson Vicar
Register: Burials 1837 - 1840, Page 194, Entry 1552
Source: Original register at Lancashire Archives
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If your Thomas was b 1755 he would have been 84yrs old in 1839. Are you sure you have the right death?
The 1839 death was registered in the Preston Union but that does not cover Ashton.
Where did you get Ashton from as his place of death
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/ashton.html
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"Ashton" most likely refers to Ashton on Ribble, 2 miles west of Preston.
St Andrew, Ashton on Ribble, has graves.
Other Ashtons in Lancashire:
Ashton-in-Makerfield
Ashtin-under-Lyns
Ashton with Stodday (3 miles south of Lancaster)
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Greetings I have the death record of Thomas Walmsley, he died in Ashton but I can't find the place of berial. He was baptised at the Parochial Chapel of Walton in the Parish of Blackburn, Lancashire and married at Saint Peter 's Church, Liverpool. His wife was babtised C of E at Lancaster, St Mary, Lancashire. Can you advise where to search for the burial of Thomas Walmsley?
You seem to have quite a variety of area there - Waton-le-Dale (Preston), Liverpool, Lancaster. Who was his wife and when did he marry please. There are a lot of Thomas Walmesleys in Lancashire and wondered how you identified this one as yours
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See my earlier reply above
If your Thomas was b 1755 he would have been 84yrs old in 1839. Are you sure you have the right death?
I have the death record of Thomas Walmsley,
Do you mean his actual death cert? If so - what identifies him as the Thomas b 1755 Blackburn as death & burial entries for the Thomas who died 1839 show he was only 75?
Are you referring to this birth/baptism entry? If so - Walton Le Dale is not Blackburn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JQB2-CZV?lang=en
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Walton-le-dale until I think 1866 was part of the parish of Blackburn which was very large and encompassed many areas which became parishes in their own right
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From GenUKI:
WALTON-LE-DALE, a village, a township, a chapelry, and a sub-district, in Blackburn parish and Preston district, Lancashire. 2 miles SE of Preston.
Cemeteries:
All Saints, Higher Walton
St Leonard, Walton-le-Dale
St Saviour, Bamber Bridge
Church Brow Wesleyan Methodist, Walton-le-Dale
Our Lady and St Patrick, Walton-le-Dale, Roman Catholic
Our Lady of Lourdes and St Gerard Majella, Lostock Hall, Roman Catholic
St Mary, Bamber Bridge, Roman Catholic
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What was the name of his wife?
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And when did he marry and what was his occupation then
Also where were his widow and possibly children living in the 1841 census
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Preston Chronicle, 23 Mar 1839
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Also noted in The Blackburn Standard on 30/3/1839
Age 75 & highly respected by numerous friends
This makes him sound to be a well known man in the area and probably fairly wealthy to have an obituary in 2 newspapers but still does not match the birth date you have by 10 years. Ages on death are often a few years out but not usually as much as 10
Do you have his death certificate to see who registered his death?
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Alice Walmsley registered his death - she is not his daughter and I have not checked yet to see if she is married to one of his sons. I need to do more researching lots of questions to follow up. I may have the wrong wife and therefore wrong children for example
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FindMyPast has details of probate and how a copy of the will can be obtained. The executor looks like "R'd Walmsley"?
Document ordering http://www.york.ac.uk/borthwick/remote-services/copying/order-form/
FindMyPast does not hold details of the will and there's no guarantee the will includes names eg "I leave to my wife ...".
NOTE - this is to advise you what's available. It does not direct you to using FindMyPast.
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Presumably you have confirmation of all your ancestors after civil registration in 1839. Would it be worth going back to that level and reconfirming parentage?
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There are two marriages 1780 of a Thomas Walmsley, occpn "joiner" - one at St. Peter, Liverpool (8 Dec 1780), the other at St Leonard, Walton Le Dale (8 Aug 1780). Indeed a Thomas Walmsley "weaver" married 1779 at Walton Le Dale.
Is the 1780 St Peter, L'Pool marriage the one you refer to in your opening post?
These marriages close together really muddy the waters.
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They do muddy the waters;
Burials;
St Anne Richmond, Liverpool
31 Dec 1805 DANIEL Walmsley son of Thomas/Elizabeth age 16 (c 1789)
12 Apr 1806 BETTY Walmsley, daug of Thomas/Elizabeth, age 21 (c 1785)
05 Dec 1803 THOMAS Walmsley age 59 (c 1744)
So possibly more than 1 Thomas around married to a Elizabeth if thats the couple you are interested in?
A Tree has Thomas dying 1839/born 1760 and Elizabeth 1765-1835
The burial for Elizabeth quoted Walton le Dale is age 65 (1770) so too young to marry 1780!
As said earlier you may have to go back to basics with what is known and confirmed.
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There is another Thomas Elizabeth marriage in 1787 at Walton-le-dale. I know Thomas would have been quite old for a first marriage but there could have been a previous one
Eg marriage to a Margaret (known perhaps as Peggy) with a death of a Peggy wife of Thomas in 1781 (there are a couple of others)
Does the death certificate you have not give the relationship to the deceased as they often do?