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The subject marriage registration entry has the bride as Roseanne Thompson, daughter of William Thompson , shoemaker and the groom as Thomas Franklin Thompson, soldier, son of Richard Thompson, baker
Location was All Saints parish church, Clooney, Co Londonderry
HOWEVER, the Service Record for Richard Conway, 16th regiment, no 1291, has the same bride, date and location for HIS marriage, and he is shown as the father of her subsequent children in their official registrations
So who was Thomas Franklin Thompson ?????
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Baptism St Mary the Virgin, Harefield, Hillingdon
March 2nd 1856 but born September 21st 1842
Thomas Franklin Thomson , son of Richard (a baker) and Harriet Thomson.
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On the same day
Henry Walter Thomson birth - Sept 7th 1846
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Richard and Harriet married in 1834 and can be found with some children in 1841 655/28/8 - Cowley, Middlesex
Harriet is widowed in 1851 and 1861 so no remarriage to a Conway.
What info do you have re Richard Conway?
Perhaps they got together and lied about their marriage?
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Should Mr Conway be Frederick?
I see a likely family in 1891 1111/116 - living in Hertford.
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UK Long Service and Good Conduct Medals
Conway Frederick
Quartermaster Sergeant
Service No 1291
Recommendation date 1882
Bedfordshire Regiment
1st Battalion
On his Attestation record ( available via Findmypast) he gives wife as Rose Ann Thompson ( as opposed to Roseanne) and married Londonderry ( not strictly true) 9th Sept 1870
They went on to have children ( according to descendant who I am trying to help with wedding mystery). They are assuming , they tell me, that Army would not let them move about as husband and wife without documentary proof??
Anne 1876 Hertford
Fred 1878 Ireland
Benjamin Somerville 1880 Athlone Ireland
Rose Thompson 1881 Hertford
Henry W 1884 Shorncliffe Kent
Rupert Thompson 1888 Hertford
Ralph Thompson 1890 England
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The gap between the marriage and the first child might be significant.
Perhaps they used Rose Anne’s marriage date and details to cover up that they were not married.
You would imaging that the army records woukd need the details but that is all I can think of.
You could try looking for military records for Thomas Franklin Thompson.
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To confuse the issue even more
Richard Thomas Franklin Thompson was born July 13th 1871 at Frederick St, Newtonards, Co Down to Roseann Thompson former!y Thompson and FREDERICK Thompson, a soldier. This would be the first child of the mystery marriage. According to the person researching the Thompson/Conway connection, in 1871 the bogus husband's regiment was stationed in Newry ,some distance away
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Which is the ‘bogus’ husband you refer to?
Initially I thought there may have been a change of identity for some reason but both men have earlier records.
I suppose Frederick and Franklin could be interchanged.
This child having the middle name of Franklin would point to Thomas being the father.
Do you know what happened to him?
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Do you know what happened to him?
Richard Thomas Franklin Thompson Conway was married in Chesterfield RD in 1896, to Sarah Ann Wilkinson.
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Thanks Shaun.
Presumably he was raised with the Conway family.
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Do you know what happened to him?
Richard Thomas Franklin Thompson Conway was married in Chesterfield RD in 1896, to Sarah Ann Wilkinson.
For info.
Richard & Sarah married in Chesterfield Registry Office
Is this Richard on 1891 census?
Richard Conway
Age 20 occ Railway Clerk
Relationship Lodger
Birth Place Newtonards, Ireland
Residence Place Hornsey, Hornsey, Middlesex, England
Piece 1059
Folio 92
Should Mr Conway be Frederick?
I see a likely family in 1891 1111/116 - living in Hertford.
These appear to be some of the birth reg.
CONWAY, RALPH THOMPSON mmn THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1890 M Quarter in HERTFORD Volume 03A Page 542
CONWAY, RUPERT THOMPSON mmn THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1888 M Quarter in HERTFORD Volume 03A Page 529
CONWAY, HENRY WALTER mmn THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 1039
1911 census living in Sheffield surname transcribed as CONNAY
Frederick CONWAY b1843 Harefield Middlesex & Rose Anne b1853 married 40 years
12 children, 7 living 5 died
Is this her death?
CONWAY, ROSE ANN age 78
GRO Reference: 1931 J Quarter in ECCLESALL BIERLOW Volume 09C Page 432
Not seeing a Rose Ann CONWAY on 1921 census but there is a Rose Ann THOMPSON born c1851 Armagh Ireland living in Yorkshire
When did Thomas Franklin Thompson or Frederick Conway die ?
:-\ There is a Frederick Conway born c 1843 Pancras on the 1851/61 censuses with parents
William, cab driver & Lousia (nee FREWIN)
CONWAY, FREDERICK mmn FR...IN
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS Volume 01 Page 316
Fred. Conway
Baptism 29 Nov 1877 Buttevant, Ireland
Father Fred. Conway Mother Rose Ann
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It’s confusing. I would think your friend has death details etc but Find a Grave has burials for:
Frank Thompson Conway 1921 aged 77/78 yrs (abt 1843)
Section DD1 grave 17250
FredConway - same grave 1877 - 1927
Rose Anne Conway1853 - 1931 - same grave
City Road Cemetery, Sheffield
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Free BMD - 1921 death
Franklin T Conway, 78 yrs Ecclesall Bierlow
Now, what is going on?
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Baptism St Mary the Virgin, Harefield, Hillingdon
March 2nd 1856 but born September 21st 1842
Thomas Franklin Thomson , son of Richard (a baker) and Harriet Thomson.
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On the same day
Henry Walter Thomson birth - Sept 7th 1846
THOMPSON, THOMAS FRANKLIN mmn SOMMERVILL
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in UXBRIDGE UNION Volume 03 Page 313
Henry Walter has the same mmn as Thomas
Benjamin Somerville Conway 1880 birth
father Fred, Barracks Sgt 16 th Regiment. mother Rose Anne nee Thompson
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1880/02883/2056271.pdf
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It’s confusing. I would think your friend has death details etc but Find a Grave has burials for:
Frank Thompson Conway 1921 aged 77/78 yrs (abt 1843)
Section DD1 grave 17250
FredConway - same grave 1877 - 1927
Rose Anne Conway1853 - 1931 - same grave
City Road Cemetery, Sheffield
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Free BMD - 1921 death
Franklin T Conway, 78 yrs Ecclesall Bierlow
Now, what is going on?
I agree Heywood it is confusing……..has Thomas changed his name for some reason ???
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Henry Walter THOMPSON married 1906 Sheffield
as Henry Walter Thompson CONWAY father Franklin Thompson CONWAY, ex soldier
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Here's what I think.
Thomas Franklin Thompson deserted from the Royal Navy in August 1864.
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7904728
That same month he appears to have joined the army as Frederick Conway.
When he marries in 1870 he uses his real name. At some point he would have had to explain the situation to his CO in order to bring his wife onto the establishment. His CO must have been very understanding, as there is no mention of his real name in the surviving army records. ADDED He was obviously a very good soldier (rising to Colour Sergeant) and the Army would not have wanted the Navy to reclaim him.
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That sounds good, Shaun, well done.
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That sounds good, Shaun, well done.
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I think you solved the mystery Shaun - well done
For info.
Is this daughter Anne’s birth reg.?
CONWAY, ANNIE mmn THOMPSON
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 05B Page 275
1881 birth daughter Rose CONWAY
father Frederick, Belfast Barracks, foot soldier mother Rose Anne nee Thompson
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1881/02832/2038274.pdf
1870 marriage Thos THOMPSON & Roseanna THOMPSON
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11392/8182812.pdf
Am I correct that Rose has signed her name on the m/c ? If so, is there any significance that Rose A CONWAY made her mark on son Benjamin &. Dau Rose’s birth certificates
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Am I correct that Rose has signed her name on the m/c ?
It's a transcription for return purposes so you can't rely too much on it for details like that.