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Title: Location of townland
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 10 June 25 18:55 BST (UK)
Hello Longford,

I could use some help locating the townland on this marriage certificate from 1870.
It looks like Clanmore but, when I check it against the list of county Longford's townlands' it doesn't appear. (I am using www.townlands.ie).
This marriage took place at St Mel's in Longford town (or is it a city?). Would the corresponding parish be "Ardagh & Moydow"?  (I am using registers.nli.ie/parishes).

Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: athacliath62 on Tuesday 10 June 25 18:59 BST (UK)
The Catholic Parish for Longford town is Templemichael, the parish also includes the civil parish of Ballymacormick : https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0146
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: athacliath62 on Tuesday 10 June 25 19:03 BST (UK)
Marriages generally took place in the bride's parish, i.e. Templemichael/Longford town in this case, the groom could have lived outside the parish. Can you give further details on this civil record.. date and names of the couple or include a link
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: athacliath62 on Tuesday 10 June 25 19:08 BST (UK)
The corresponding parish record in the Catholic register for the parish is very faded , groom's residence looks like it might be Clonamore ?  same for his father

 https://registers.nli.ie//registers/vtls000632376#page/10/mode/1up
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: athacliath62 on Tuesday 10 June 25 19:12 BST (UK)
There's a townland named Cloonmore not far (about 6km) to the south west of Longford town : https://www.logainm.ie/en/33250

See the Placename database entry for some of the spelling variations for this placename.
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Tuesday 10 June 25 20:01 BST (UK)

Griffiths Valuation 1854 - Cloonmore
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/2446973#map=12/53.7054/-7.8868

Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 10 June 25 21:26 BST (UK)
Thank you both so much Kiltaglassan and athacliath62, you have been most helpful.
The Peter Gray who was the witness at this marriage came to Scotland soon afterwards and there married the sister of the groom (Thomas Murphy) so they must have had a close connection in Longford. I can't find any Gray's in these Longford records and Murphy's are few and far between!

I know from their Scottish marriage and death certificates that the parents of Peter Gray were Peter Gray and Bridget Rawl (Raul? Rhawl?) and the parents of Thomas Murphy were James Murphy and Catherine Owens.

Thanks again for you help guys.
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: rathmore on Wednesday 11 June 25 12:58 BST (UK)
have you looked on church/civil records

http://www.irishgenealogy.ie

i don't know if they are related to you.

228 Gray Births in Longford

125 Gray marriages Longford
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: gaffy on Wednesday 11 June 25 19:22 BST (UK)
(1) Killashee RC Parish register, 1839:

Nov 27th B. Thos. f James Murphy & Cath Owens
S Mich Murphy & Mary Owens

27th November Baptised Thomas son of James Murphy and Catherine Owens
Sponsors Michael Murphy and Mary Owens

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632437#page/49/mode/1up
(left page, third entry up from bottom)

(2) Clongish RC Parish register, 1834:

(In English) 7th (November) James Murphy and Catharine Owens of Kilmore
Patrick McGiffe and Margaret McNally (Sponsors)
 
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632396#page/113/mode/1up
(bottom of right page)

Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 11 June 25 23:23 BST (UK)
Thanks Rathmore and Gaffy, James Murphy & Catherine Owens are exactly who I'm looking for.
Fantastic research, thank you so much.
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 12 June 25 16:20 BST (UK)
By a stroke of luck, I found James Murphy in the 1891 census here in Scotland, living with his married daughter in Wishaw. He is described as a "visitor" but, 10 years later, he was still with her and I now have his death in 1901, parents names given as Patrick Murphy and Nancy McGiff.
Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: gaffy on Thursday 12 June 25 16:38 BST (UK)
Templemichael RC parish register (from the latin):

Baptised James son of Patrick Murphy & Ann McGiff, Sponsors William Joice? and Mary Byrne

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632370#page/72/mode/1up

(left page, 2nd entry under 7th January 1811)

Title: Re: Location of townland
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 12 June 25 21:46 BST (UK)
Templemichael RC parish register (from the latin):

Baptised James son of Patrick Murphy & Ann McGiff, Sponsors William Joice? and Mary Byrne

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632370#page/72/mode/1up

(left page, 2nd entry under 7th January 1811)

Incredible stuff gaffy, thank you so much.