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General => World War One => Armed Forces => WW1 In Memoriam => Topic started by: GDW67 on Tuesday 10 June 25 11:09 BST (UK)
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our war memorial has 175 names of men from our parish who died in the war.
https://saintannestanley.co.uk/war%20memorials/index.html
A group of local historians have found information for most of them but we're stumped on 12 of them. Someone on a local genealogy group suggested I try this group to see if anyone can identify them. Their names are;
F. Briggs
A. Gregson (not ADJS Gregson who appears on the memorial and for who we have info)
J. Grisedale
J. C. Jones
R. Owens
T. Riley
J. A. Stewart
T. West
N. Williams
O. Williams
T. A. Wood
A. Wright
All we know are their names (as listed), they died in WW1 and lived or had connections to the parish of Stanley in Liverpool. Thanks in advance for any help.
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Hi Geoff,
Welcome to Rootschat.
As mentioned on your FB thread I think "J Grisedale" is probably John Grisdale, 16154 2nd Bn, South Lancashire Regt. His service records show an address for his wife at 21 Goschen Street, Old Swan. Killed in action at Hooge, 25 September 1915.
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I can see just one WW1 military death with surname West and a connection with Old Swan. That is Henry West (4646 RFA) whose family lived at 32 Leinster Road. Died of wounds on 9 July 1918. Might "T" West be an error?
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Hi Shaun, thanks for info. It definitely says T. West on the memorial. I can't imagine they'd make an error over something as important as that back then. I'll keep the info save tho ;-)
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our war memorial has 175 names of men from our parish who died in the war.
https://saintannestanley.co.uk/war%20memorials/index.html
A group of local historians have found information for most of them but we're stumped on 12 of them. Someone on a local genealogy group suggested I try this group to see if anyone can identify them. Their names are;
F. Briggs
A. Gregson (not ADJS Gregson who appears on the memorial and for who we have info)
J. Grisedale
J. C. Jones
R. Owens
T. Riley
J. A. Stewart
T. West
N. Williams
O. Williams
T. A. Wood
A. Wright
All we know are their names (as listed), they died in WW1 and lived or had connections to the parish of Stanley in Liverpool. Thanks in advance for any help.
Just looked at your Memorial site of Biographies of your Fallen Congregation members - Excellent Biographies
Many were Soldiers of the King's Liverpool Regt - so have made links to your Church site to My King's Liverpool Regt Forum and Liverpoolpals Memorial Forum
Many are already on Our Liverpoolpals Memorial Website like Pte 52036 James Atherton of 19th Pals
https://www.liverpoolpals.com/soldier/?i=79/52036-Pte-james-atherton
Though your Post was about those 12 proving a Challenge- so I will have a go.
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Hi Geoff,
Welcome to Rootschat.
As mentioned on your FB thread I think "J Grisedale" is probably John Grisdale, 16154 2nd Bn, South Lancashire Regt. His service records show an address for his wife at 21 Goschen Street, Old Swan. Killed in action at Hooge, 25 September 1915.
Great Research ShaunJ !!
Strange Case - His Attestation states he Married Florence Brown January 1907 but No Trace
The Marriage Certificate shows they married at St Saviour on 14 July 1908
They lived in Salisbury Road below
At Attestation he was at Whitefied Grove then Goschen Street which are both Anfield more than Old Swan or Everton
His Second Son Cyril Bernard Grisdale was born 5 July 1915 and Baptised 11 August 1915 at All Saints Stoneycroft a fair distance away from Goschen Street- Father's Occupation = Soldier
Florence took both her Sons to Canada where she died aged 40 in 1920 - Cyril was only aged 5 when orphan but he stayed and Married there.
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" A Wright"
Corporal Alfred Wright
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/875910/alfred-wright/
32582, 14th Bn Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Died 04 October 1917
Age 37 years old
Husband of Elizabeth Wright, of 12, Albany Rd., Old Swan, Liverpool
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Great Research ShaunJ
We now have 3 of the Missing Twelve
16154 John Grisdale
32582 Alfred Wright
203179 Norman Williams 18th Pals of Ennismore Rd across Prescot Road from St Annes Stanley
https://www.liverpoolpals.com/soldier/?i=2683/203179-Pte-norman-williams
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Not one of the Missing 12
But this One already known on St Annes Biographies but is also Commemorated on All Saints Stoneycroft which is Where the 2nd Son Cyril Bernard Grisdale of John Grisdale was Baptised at All Saints Stoneycroft just 6 weeks before John's Death
https://www.liverpoolpals.com/soldier/?i=140/21443-Pte-ernest-bartlett
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"T Riley"
I wonder if the T is for Ted. There was a William Edward Riley, Seaman, Royal Naval Reserve, H.M.S. "Lady Cory Wright."
Died 26 March 1918, aged 44.
Native of Castletown, Isle of Man. Half-brother of Catherine Jane Riley, of 1, Aylesford Rd., Old Swan, Liverpool.
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"T Riley"
I wonder if the T is for Ted. There was a William Edward Riley, Seaman, Royal Naval Reserve, H.M.S. "Lady Cory Wright."
Died 26 March 1918, aged 44.
Native of Castletown, Isle of Man. Half-brother of Catherine Jane Riley, of 1, Aylesford Rd., Old Swan, Liverpool.
A notice in the Liverpool Post indicates this man was known as 'Willie' so I think you can discount him.
Boo
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A notice in the Liverpool Post indicates this man was known as 'Willie' so I think you can discount him.
Well spotted, Boo. Back to the drawing board.....
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Just found another possible- Pte 331933 Robert Owens of !/9th King's Liverpool Killed in Action 28 June 1917
His Father Robert and his younger Brother worked at Stanley Brick Machine
They lived in 1911 at 23 Leigh Street Old Swan
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" J C Jones"
This seems very likely to be Driver John Cleveland Jones M2/183224, ASC. Died of blackwater fever at Salonika in February 1918. He and his wife Margaret Jane Robertson Christian lived in Tranmere but his wife's family lived at 5 Derby Street, Old Swan.
His mother-in-law Elizabeth Christian posted a death notice in the Echo. The people named are her sons Donald and James and Donald's wife Lillian:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/464c5c05-1879-449e-947c-c4d429a083d2
Donald and Lillian are at 14, Cheadle Avenue, Old Swan in the 1921 census but 1920s electoral rolls show them also at 5 Derby Street. They seem to have been registered at both addresses.
The next two clips have photos of Driver J C Jones:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/649c20a5-b057-47be-b19c-3417697802bb
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/993628e0-4b5b-4a05-944f-a02a520aeec5
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Yes ShaunJ Well Done
I found John Cleveland Jones also as a Likely but born in Birkenhead June 1887 to John David and Hannah nee Williams - was trying to find their link to Stoneycroft
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Great thinking outside of the box there. We'll get loooking into it. Thank you :-)
"T Riley"
I wonder if the T is for Ted. There was a William Edward Riley, Seaman, Royal Naval Reserve, H.M.S. "Lady Cory Wright."
Died 26 March 1918, aged 44.
Native of Castletown, Isle of Man. Half-brother of Catherine Jane Riley, of 1, Aylesford Rd., Old Swan, Liverpool.
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" T A Wood"
Tom Alfred Wood 821119 Canadian Infantry, 44th Battalion.
Next of kin: mother Mary Jane Wood, 4 Fairfield Street, Liverpool
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1086/images/gpc018-682519a
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/1577564/tom-alfred-wood/
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Another amazing find. Great detective work :-)
I've found a photo of his grave and added that to our website together with his photo.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/56579722/j-c-jones
" J C Jones"
This seems very likely to be Driver John Cleveland Jones M2/183224, ASC. Died of blackwater fever at Salonika in February 1918. He and his wife Margaret Jane Robertson Christian lived in Tranmere but his wife's family lived at 5 Derby Street, Old Swan.
His mother-in-law Elizabeth Christian posted a death notice in the Echo. The people named are her sons Donald and James and Donald's wife Lillian:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/464c5c05-1879-449e-947c-c4d429a083d2
Donald and Lillian are at 14, Cheadle Avenue, Old Swan in the 1921 census but 1920s electoral rolls show them also at 5 Derby Street. They seem to have been registered at both addresses.
The next two clips have photos of Driver J C Jones:
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/649c20a5-b057-47be-b19c-3417697802bb
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/993628e0-4b5b-4a05-944f-a02a520aeec5
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" T A Wood"
Tom Alfred Wood 821119 Canadian Infantry, 44th Battalion.
Next of kin: mother Mary Jane Wood, 4 Fairfield Street, Liverpool
In Memoriam notice on the anniversary of his death
Boo
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Just updating the list:
F. Briggs
A. Gregson (not ADJS Gregson who appears on the memorial and for who we have info)
J. Grisedale
J. C. Jones
R. Owens
T. Riley
J. A. Stewart
T. West
N. Williams
O. Williams
T. A. Wood
A. Wright
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O Williams was possibly known as Owen Williams working in Liverpool and in Lodgings ?
My Cousin Linda when we were Both Researching Biographies for the Liverpoolpals Roll of Honour found Owen Enlisted under Surname O W Wells 17221 into the 18th Pals possibly with his other Church Mates of St Annes?
https://www.liverpoolpals.com/soldier/?i=2634/17221-Pte-owen-williams--wells
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wow, that's interesting. We just need to establish a link between him and our parish. I'll pass info on and see what comes up. Great work!
O Williams was possibly known as Owen Williams working in Liverpool and in Lodgings ?
My Cousin Linda when we were Both Researching Biographies for the Liverpoolpals Roll of Honour found Owen Enlisted under Surname O W Wells 17221 into the 18th Pals possibly with his other Church Mates of St Annes?
https://www.liverpoolpals.com/soldier/?i=2634/17221-Pte-owen-williams--wells
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All may not be lost here. A lady who is helping out with this has found info (on Ancestry I think)
that a William Riley who was on the Lucania in 1901 lived at 88 Church Road, right opposite our church. She's sent a screenshot of what she found. It says Liverpool Crew lists 1861-1919. May be of some help?
A notice in the Liverpool Post indicates this man was known as 'Willie' so I think you can discount him.
Well spotted, Boo. Back to the drawing board.....