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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: bobtonks on Saturday 07 June 25 16:45 BST (UK)
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Rosa Williams was born 10 February 1865, Redditch to Henry and Ann Williams.
On 3 December 1883 Rosina Williams married Joseph Berry (1864) , B'ham Register Office
Five children, Joseph 1884, Rose E 1886, Gertrude 1887, Florence 1889, and Clare May 1890-1890.
In 1891 the family were living 156 Broad Street, Birmingham.
In 1901 Joseph was living with his mother (Sarah Jones) and three childen at 63 Friston Street.
No sign of Rosina, although Joseph is recorded as married.
In 1911 Joseph is still living with his mother at 23 Eldon Road Edgbaston. widowed.
Can anyone see what happened to Rosina ? 1901 census and death record
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There is a death for
Rosina Williams ?
1894 Birmingham Warwickshire
Age 30
Birth year1864
Rosie
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FreeBMD has her age as 39.
Rosina may well have reverted to her maiden name for whatever reason.
She just disappeared. 1n 1891 she had four children all under six years old. Very odd.
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Can you find the other child? He or she could be with her in 1901.
Which 3 children were with Joseph in 1901?
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The other child I think it's possible is a Scholar in a protestant dissenting charity School
Birmingham Warwickshire 1901
Florence Berry age 12
Rosie
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In 1901 there were two children living with Joseph, Joseph (1885) and Gertrude plus his sister Elizabeth (1870).
Interesting that Florence was recorded at school, possibly boarding.
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Have you checked the Warwickshire Archives ?
Florence was the youngest child, perhaps there is a record of her admission to the all girls school.
Her mother Rosina may well have suffered illness after so many children and the death of Clare May.
Do you have the death certificate for Clare May Berry - for a cause of death.
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My Grandmother was Gertrude Berry born 26 July 1887. mother Rose. living back of 9 Ladywood Rd.
I have the certificates for my direct family line, births marriages deaths but not for siblings.
In 1901 Gertrude's sister, Rose (1886) possibly working as a servant 286 Haglet Rd Edgbaston living with the Jacobs family.
Still no sign of Rosina.
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There is also a possibility Joseph Berry could have put wrong information about being married in the 1901 census .
Like you can not see anything on Rosina Berry after 1891 only that death as I posted for Rosina Williams
1894 with the wrong age
Rosie
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Like you I am a little suspicious of the 1901 record. I have searched deaths for any "Rose Rosie Rosina, " for the twenty years after 1891 and Rosina Williams is still the best bet.
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Think it's worth a try at least it will let you know one way or the other ;)
Rosie
Added there is a Rosina Williams in the 1891 census Birmingham so most probably this is the one that died 1894 Age seems to be right
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It's interesting that Joseph is recorded as "married" in the 1921 census !!!
living 23 Eldon Road Smethwick with sister Elizabeth 1870 and brother John 1871.
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It's interesting that Joseph is recorded as "married" in the 1921 census !!!
living 23 Eldon Road Smethwick with sister Elizabeth 1870 and brother John 1871.
Have you checked for a marriage 1911-1921 ?
Got dentist check up this morning will check when I get back
Rosie
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Joseph was still living with sister Elizabeth at 23 Eldon Road in 1939 - transcribed Bessy in FindMyPast
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Still no further advanced with Rosina checked the 1911 census to see if she was with any family no luck .Did you find Florence on the 1911 census ?
Rosie
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Florence married Stanley Richard Smith in 1911 and died 14 March 1964
In 1921 living Myrtle Grove, Summer Rd Smethwick ... two children ...twins
In 1939 living 9 Hanson's Bridge Rod, Birmingham
Still no sign of Rosina
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Do you have the death certificate for Clare May Berry - for a cause of death.
Would this be her burial at Witton Cemetery Dec 1890?
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/246945605/clare-berry
There is a death for
Rosina Williams ?
1894 Birmingham Warwickshire
Age 30
Birth year1864
There is this burial at Witton Cemetery Nov 1894 Rosina Williams - no age given
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/247166528/rosina-williams
FreeBMD has her age as 39.
As does GRO indexes
WILLIAMS, ROSINA 39
GRO Reference: 1894 D Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 72
Aș Roșie says perhaps thinking about getting that d/c to check - it is available as a digital image from GRO online indexes cost £3.00
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I have ordered the digital copy of Rosina Williams 1894.
I'm not overly confident but .........
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I have ordered the digital copy of Rosina Williams 1894.
I'm not overly confident but .........
At least you will know one way or the other and as it's an instant download so you don't have to wait! Please let us know how you get on :)
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When did Rosina's husband Joseph die?
Was it 1942?
BERRY, JOSEPH 77
GRO Reference: 1942 S Quarter in BIRMINGHAM Volume 06D Page 253
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/246653468/joseph-berry
There's also this entry - index only no image
Joseph Berry
Burial Date Sep 1942
Cemetery Warstone Lane Cemetery
Burial Place Birmingham
Birmingham, England, Birmingham Cemetery and Crematoria Records, 1836-2017
Can't see an entry for a Rosina Berry at that cemetery there is one for a Rosina Williams in Apr 1895 but her age on GRO indexes is 12 :-\
As you say interesting that Joseph Berry is noted as 'married' 1921 & 'M' 1939 and 'widow' 1911 ???
If she was still alive after 1891 perhaps she was in a hospital or medical facility :-\
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I have the copy. Rosina Williams died 16 Nov 1894, wife of John Williams , Blacksmith.
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Joseph, her husband, died in 1942.
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I have the copy. Rosina Williams died 16 Nov 1894, wife of John Williams , Blacksmith.
Well at least it lets you know it's not your Rosina
Rosie