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Rose(Rosie) Craze was born on the 3rd May 1907. In 1923 she married Henry Solomon. They had two children Elisha Edward Solomon born 1925 and Bessie Solomon born in 1927. Shortly after this they split up. At some stage she met Mark Simmons and lived with him, but they never married. They had children, who I know about. It appears she changed her surname to Simmons. I am not sure whether this was by deed poll or she just assumed his surname.
Rose died October 27th 1950 and she was buried in Hoop Lane Cemetery. The gravestone shows that her surname was Simmons. However Bessie Solomon objected to the name Simmons being used, and brought a case in the High Court in 1954 because of "two lies" on the Gravestone. She wanted the name Solomon to be used.The case made the National Press in England and Australia. I understand that Edward Solomon died in 1952 following an accident at Little Venice. The 1939 Register shows Mark and Rose and 1 closed record living in Brighton. Mark Simmons died in 1977 and I expected to find his grave next to Rose but this was not the case.
I would appreciate help with the following
1. What happened to Bessie after the court case as I cannot find out whether she married or when she died. At the time of the Court case she was living in Maida Vale
2. Mark Simmons death was recorded in St Marylebone, but I cannot find out where he was buried
Any help would be appreciated
Luke Edward
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A possibility
London Gazette
Solomon Bessie otherwise Betty died 1st September 1981 - Spinster
19 Dudley Ct, London W1
This entry also appears on the probate index
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UK and Ireland, Find a Grave® Index, 1300s-Current
Name: Mark Simmons
Death Date: 23 Jun 1977
Cemetery: Bushey Jewish Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place: Bushey, Watford Borough, Hertfordshire, England
P.S. According to trees, the above Mark married Rosina A Young (or Frauenglass or Beckman) in 1951
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The betty Solomon who died 1981 had a dob of 22.8.1926. She appears on 1939 war register with the same dob as “ at school” in Eastbourne. The Solomon/craze birth was registered jq
1927
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The person living with Mark and Rose in 1939 does not appear to be Bessie/Betty
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Hi all
Many thanks for your replies
Rosie99. I am 99% certain that deleted entry in 1939 register was their daughter Alicia. I have seen the probate notice., but there does not appear to be a death cert that i can apply for . nor can i find a will or probate to apply for.
DCB. Rosina Beckman married Mark Simmons in 1951. The gravestone shows wife Mamie, son Michael and daughter Thelma. cant seem to find any further information. is Rosina Mamie. The death date looks ok but is it the right Mark Simmons. Further investigation needed
Softly Softly. my Bessie Solomon has dob 2nd quarter 1927. So I think this is the wrong person
thanks again for your help
Luke Edward
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Where is your Bessie / Betty on the 1939 register
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Hi Rosie99. Unfortunately I dont know where Bessie is on the 1939 register. Softly Softly suggested Eastbourne but I dont think this is right. In 1954 she is living in Leith mansions Maida Vale.
I have found on the 1939 register a Henry Solomon living with an Edward Solomon living at 5 Grafton Place Euston. slight discrepancy in Edwards dob. so not sure
regards
Luke Edward
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Info only, when mark simmonds married rosina in 1951 she is recorded with 3 surnames. 1,Beckmann,2 young,3 frauenglass.
Birth of a Thelma Maureen frauenglass sq 1933 Finsbury mmm young.
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The betty Solomon who died 1981 had a dob of 22.8.1926. She appears on 1939 war register with the same dob as “ at school” in Eastbourne. The Solomon/craze birth was registered jq
1927
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I was confirming that this WAS NOT your Bessie/betty
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Further information only
Rosina Amelia young married John frauenglass 1932
Birth of Thelma in 1933
1939 rose frauenglass (Young)dob 1.12.1910 her mmm Gray
Birth of Michael p Beckman 1944 mmn Young
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The trees have Rosina as Rosina Amelia (Mamie) Young, and Mark born on 27th August 1906.
The 39 register has 25th August 1906.
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I understand that Edward Solomon died in 1952 following an accident at Little Venice.
In 1950 he was found guilty of 'Loitering for the purpose of betting'
Holloway Press - 27th January 1950
Did his father Henry 'marry' Germaine Wallace who was living with them in 1939 - Her record was amended 19th Feb 1951 to show the surname Solomon.
Her death
Death June qtr 1966
SOLOMON GERMAINE age 64
CAMBERWELL 5A 526
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It may help find Bessie/Betty in 1939 if we had her exact birth date.
I can't see a birth registration that fits that Eastbourne Bessie/Betty :-\
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How did Bessie afford to pay the £4,000 costs for that court case.
I see her address at the time was Thurloe Place, Kensington
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Hi all
Many thanks for all your replies. I have just spoken to the grand daughter of Rose and Mark. Before I mentioned it she said the name Mamie rang a bell, so I know for certain we have the right person. I also now have a picture of the gravestone for Mark Simmons. Rosina(Mamie) born Young, married Frauenhaus had Thelma, married Beckman had Michael, married Mark in 1951. I can see that Thelma and Michael both married, but have not looked further. So that answers one of my queries.
As regards Bessie. I wondered where she got the £4000 from. Must be about £200,000 in todays money. I have her birth as 2nd quarter 1927. the death in 1981 could be her. More research needed
I have seen the article about Edward loitering with intent
thanks again
Luke Edward
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The Betty / Bessie that died in 1981 (probate 1982) left £28,831 ::)
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I know we are looking for Bessie but posting this as information for the time being.
There is a marriage in dq 1946 Marylebone of a John frauenglass to Joyce M Jacob’s/ Joyce M Randall, also on same page a Jack Beckman/ Joyce M Jacob’s// Randall
1947/1948 electoral registers has
JoYCE M FRAVENGLASS
ADA M JACOBS
EMANUEL JACOBS
JOHN BECKMAN
All living at 102, lauderdale road, Maida Vale
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Just mentioning for those trying to help Bessie is with Benjamin and Hannah Craze in the late 1940's /1950's - Maida Vale
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Snap
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What happened to Alicia and her husband David Abrahams
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Hi all
thanks for info about Bessie with Benjamin and Hannah Marks. Alicia married David Davis and it is their daughter who I am doing the research for. I see on My Heritage that two people Teddy Craze and Beryl Camilleri mention Rose Craze. I have contacted them but had no reply
Thanks again
Luke Edward