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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Jennarembailey on Wednesday 04 June 25 12:55 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find more information about a female called Elisabeth Coulter born approx 1717-1725 parents unknown. Possibly Newcastle upon Tyne area, or nearby.
She apparently married and was widowed. “Spouse unknown”
Her second marriage was to my relative (George Blenkinsopp baptised 1674
All saints church, Newcastle upon Tyne).
In 1744 he was about 70 years when they married in Newcastle and she was in her early-mid 30s.
They had 5 children including my direct relative Elizabeth Blenkinsopp, later married as Leaton at Whickham.
George Blenkinsopp Died 1768 and his daughter Elizabeth Blenkinsopp Leaton was his only heir, inheriting his estate and titles.
Her mother Elisabeth Coulter died in 1805.
I am keen to find out who were the family of Elisabeth Coulter.
A note in my records say that a Shafto Coulter was a cousin of “Elizabeth Blenkinsopp”
“I believe he was a person who worked either for the local government or was a solicitor.”
Any help as to “Elisabeth Coulters family and of previous marriage would we appreciated.
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Reading your post did she revert back to her maiden name when her first husband died rather than keep his / her married name as she's listed as "Coulter" at her second marriage to George ??? ???
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Do you have the marriage record from the Parish Register (image not a transcription)
Is that where it says she was a widow?
I don't have access to the Parish Register to be able to check but
they married by Licence and the Allegation and Bond both say she was a spinster.
Links to relevant documents on Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64JS-ZK9?wc=M6KL-Z2Z%3A129221401%2C129221402%26cc%3D1675690&lang=en&i=242&cc=1675690
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-64JS-7F9?wc=M6KL-Z2Z%3A129221401%2C129221402%26cc%3D1675690&lang=en&i=243&cc=1675690
The newspaper described her as 'Miss' Betty Coulter and said she was 'an agreeable young lady'
Boo
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I've just realised that the newspaper archive have the date of that newspaper incorrectly recorded as 2nd June - though they married on the 7th
The banner on the first page says it covered the full week
Boo
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You'd need to check it out carefully but I think the following are highly possible to be the wills of Elizabeth Coulter's parents (though you will need baptism records etc to be sure)
start here:
https://familyrecords.awh.durham.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php
Put Coulter in the search box, select all records and click on view records
From what I can see John Coulter , probate year 1743 and Mary Coulter probate year 1774 are the very likely candidates
The links take you to Family Search where you can see/download the wills
ps given that John's Will was written in March 1743 and mentions money for his (at that time unmarried) daughters to be paid in 2 parts - half when they married and the other half when their Mam died then I'd think it a bit of a push for Elizabeth to be married, widowed, reverted to her maiden name and re-married all between March 1843 and Jun 1844
Not totally impossible but perhaps bordering on unlikely?
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Only have records as enclosed
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The link to the wills won’t produce anything. Just comes up blank.
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transcription of the Marriage Bond
1 Jun 1744 George Blenkinsop (of All Saints, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, age 40, ironmonger, batchelor) obtained a licence to marry Elizabeth Coulter (of St. Nicholas, Newcastle-upon-Tyne, age 24, spinster), directed to St. Nicholas or All Saints
Surety: Thomas Thoresby, surgeon, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne
[Note: married 7 Jun at All Saints.]
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The link to the wills won’t produce anything. Just comes up blank.
You need to be signed into an account for Family Search to view them - its free to register and well worth doing
but, considering we went through a similar scenario 8 years ago (I knew this was ringing a bell) and you were able to see wills from similar links I assume you already knew about the database, and how to use it.
Previous linked thread
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=764425.0
Boo
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A note in my records say that a Shafto Coulter was a cousin of “Elizabeth Blenkinsopp”
The page you have posted clearly says Shafto was her brother.
Do you have a reason for believing that is incorrect?
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FindMyPast Baptism (transcript only)
Elizabeth Coulter, bap - 31 May 1715, place - Lesbury, father - William Coulter
Durham Wills has a probate record for a William Coulter, Lesbury, 1753 and William Coulter, Lesbury, 1806
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FindMyPast Marriage Bond (transcript only)
William Coulter and Sarah Proctor, 31 Oct 1710, Lesbury
FindMyPast Baptisms (transcripts only)
Father William Coulter, place Lesbury
John Coulter 12 Jul 1711*, Michael Coulter 12 Jul 1711*, Michael Coulter 27 Dec 1712**, Elizabeth - already posted, William 15 Feb 1717, Sarah Coulter 1 Apr 1719, Mary 1 Jun 1721, John 18 Nov 1722, Jonathan 15 Feb 1728, Catherine 19 Jun 1729, Robert 2 Nov 1731
* John and Michael, sons of Mr William Coulter, buried 13 Jul 1711
** only instance of a Mother's name appearing on baptism - Sarah
The absence of a mother's name against the above list (one exception) means cannot guarantee it being the same William in all instances?
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FindMyPast Burials (transcripts only)
William Coulter, bur 4 Dec 1753, place St John Newcastle - no age recorded*
Sarah Coulter, bur 8 Dec 1771, St Mary Lesbury - no age recorded.
* - the 1753 will is a "William Coulter of Lesbury". It does not mention wife's given name. It does mention a "Joh (sic) Proctor" which is a link to the 1710 marriage bond.
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Just some background:
10 October 1761: Newcastle Courant
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from Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries of Newcastle upon Tyne, VII, No. 26, 1896
PRESTWICK HALL
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N. B. Coultherd held Prestwick by Marriage with an heiress of Shaftoe, who held it by Marriage with an heiress of Fenwick. Prestwick contained 100 acres of good land and a good dwelling house described in an advertisement 1805.
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Mr. Crawford Hodgson believes, but cannot prove, that the Shafto heiress of Prestwick married & Carr, whose descendant Dorothy, daughter and coheiress of Robert and Jane Carr of Prestwick, was married at Ponteland, 14th April, 1726, to Robert Carr of Alnwick and Lesbury, and he thinks another daughter, Mary, became wife of John Coulter of Newcastle, tobacconist, the latter of whom by will dated 15th March, 1742, made charitable bequests to the parish of St. Nicholas, Newcastle, and to Ponteland. The son of this match, Shafto Coulter, voted for Prestwick in 1774, and by will dated 25th March, 1800, devised that estate to his sister Elizabeth, wife of George Blenkinsopp of Whickham.
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Shafto Coulter as executor for George Blenkinsopp
30 April 1768: Newcastle Chronicle
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burial 4th March 1768 St Nicholas, Newcastle
George Blenkinsopp, gentleman
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Hi Tikketyboo
Found the record that said she was widowed
But it from “find my past records” as enclosed.
They may have misread the records they found.
I downloaded a number of wills but need to interpret them.
I am trying to concentrate on George Blenkinsopp at the moment, I want to find
Out where he lived with Elisabeth when they married and had their children.
Do you have any idea how to find any records for Newcastle upon Tyne, in that time period.
Poll books or similar, any suggestions would be appreciated.
Regards Jenny
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I want to thank everyone who has given input into my subject, I shall keep all the information
You have given especially regards the Coulthard family.
Shafto Coulthard has been in my family trees for many years he has always been on vital documents in three of my family trees, Blenkinsopp, Blenkinsopp Leaton and Leaton.
So I will defiantly be following up on his side of the family.
I always thought he was a solicitor, but now think he was just a very nice and clever guy and well thought of in his role within the city of Newcastle.
Thank you regards Jenny