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Title: Army Red tape
Post by: J.R.Ellam on Tuesday 03 June 25 11:48 BST (UK)
Hi
You have to love Army red tape.

Just looking into another of my War dead; Frank Wear who die 3 August 1917 & is buried at Douai Communal Cemetery.

When I looked at his medal card it as him as assumed dead 3 August 1917 with the explains that he is on the roll of dead men for the regiment but Army form 118 has not yet been received with the date 17 May 1920

So does that mean that he is still alive in Military records.

John
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 03 June 25 15:13 BST (UK)
His father received a war gratuity in Dec. 1919 with the info that his death had been accepted (by the Army).
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: J.R.Ellam on Tuesday 03 June 25 15:48 BST (UK)
Don't think he was married
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 03 June 25 15:57 BST (UK)
Amended above post. It was his father.
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: J.R.Ellam on Tuesday 03 June 25 17:06 BST (UK)
his father was dead but another Frank Wear of the same age, father Frederick from Huddersfield died 3 May 1917
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: jim1 on Tuesday 03 June 25 17:30 BST (UK)
Well it looks like your man.
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Tuesday 03 June 25 21:52 BST (UK)
his father was dead but another Frank Wear of the same age, father Frederick from Huddersfield died 3 May 1917

His Father Died in Sheffield in March Quarter 1937 his Name was Thomas William Wear married to Lily Wear née Blake

Frank Wear was Born September Quarter 1897 Sheffield Vol 9c page 530 Mother's Maiden Name = Blake

He was One of Eight Children  2 died pre 1911

He Died aged 20 Unmarried


Those Parents Details agree the Parents on the Soldiers Effects Records for arrears of his Army Pay and the War Gratuity Payment

Frederick Wear from Huddersfield who died in Sheffield in 1918 has nothing to do with this Soldier
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: J.R.Ellam on Wednesday 04 June 25 07:17 BST (UK)
The medal card still said assumed dead which means some departments have his death & others don't. When you look at the medal cards of those like his brother who have no known grave, most of those don't say assumed dead.

His brothers service record throw up another curiosity,

Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: jim1 on Wednesday 04 June 25 12:09 BST (UK)
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His brothers service record throw up another curiosity,
What curiosity?
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Wednesday 04 June 25 13:52 BST (UK)
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His brothers service record throw up another curiosity,
What curiosity?


I think what he means - is that Brother Pte 21623 Thomas Edward Wear his Body was never Found so is listed on the Thiepval Memorial but his Records show he was Definitely Killed in Action 24 September 1916 not assumed.
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: J.R.Ellam on Thursday 05 June 25 07:48 BST (UK)
Yes his brother was Thomas Edward Wear who is mentioned on the Thiepval Memorial but the curiosity is that his service record has him as being posted to the Mediterranean.
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Thursday 05 June 25 08:13 BST (UK)
Yes his brother was Thomas Edward Wear who is mentioned on the Thiepval Memorial but the curiosity is that his service record has him as being posted to the Mediterranean.

Yes the Records say he was there 243 days in the Mediterranean

Then sent to France 27 June 1916 for his final 90 days
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: tonepad on Thursday 05 June 25 08:25 BST (UK)
 Thomas Edward Wear was in the 6th York & Lancs


See - https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/york-lancaster-regiment/

6th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Pontefract in August 1914 as part of K1 and came under orders of 32nd Brigade in 11th (Northern) Division. Moved initially to Grantham. Moved to Witley in April 1915.
3 July 1915 : sailed from Liverpool for Gallipoli, landing at Suvla Bay 6 August 1915.
Evacuated from Gallipoli December 1915, moved to Egypt via Imbros.
Moved to France in July 1916.


Tony
Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Thursday 05 June 25 09:33 BST (UK)


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Title: Re: Army Red tape
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 05 June 25 12:35 BST (UK)
He was 1 of 2 men killed attacking Mouquet Farm.