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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: mickawinn on Sunday 01 June 25 12:10 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find out all I can about the above and family. I believe he was born in 1907 in Denmark, married a Henny ?, and had at least one child Lisbeth in 1947. Lisbeth married a Raymond SMITH in Lancashire but I can't find the marriage record. Any information would be appreciated.
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Presumably Soren married in Denmark? Where was the daughter born - England or Denmark? If Soren was b 1907 he would have been 40 when the daughter was born which suggests either a late marriage or there were other children.
Any marriage for the daughter you mention would have been in the 1960’s so are there any living children from that marriage who can provide info? Were any Smith children born in Denmark which could suggest they married there.
Have you checked for any Smith childrens births to confirm the spelling of the mmn
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Lisbeth died 1991.
Smith child born 1970 but knows nothing about his mother’s family history other than to confirm the spelling of the name. No information about when she came to England but the search goes on.
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Lisbeth Smith's full birthdate from 1991 death reg is 8.8.1947. She died 5.5.1991 - No will - administration only
Presumably her husband is also deceased?
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Lisbeth’s obituary would suggest that husband “ray” was still alive at her passing in 1991. Obituary also names 4 children who appear on freebmd as smith/just.
SS
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Lisbeth’s obituary is mentioned. Where did you find it please? I am aware of the four children.
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Hi, the article is from the Manchester evening news dated 8.5.1991, page 16 found on FindMyPast. Please note that to find this article search for Elsbeth lisbeth smith, it mentions husband ray, and 4 children
SS
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Good Afternoon
The problem here is that many of the records you want will not be online due to privacy concerns.Earlier records for Denmark are there on Ancestry pre 1916
So 1911 censes has one Soren Just born 1907
Bregnet Oster Lisbjerg,Randers (somewhere near Arhaus)
Soren Just born 25 Aug 1907 Kende son
Kristine Jakunson 2nd may 1859 widow Grovlen Svigersonader ?son in law possibly
Lydia Nielson 1896 Thorsager servant
But there seems to be no father/mother.
Weird
I'll look for more
Ciderdrinker
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Cider drinker
Yes I found that one and thought there must be a missing earlier page. Very odd.
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FamSearch has Census records for Denmark - recall seeing a record for a Soren Just born 1907 but nothing to relate it to.
Also “Cyndi’s List” delivered possible search sites.
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Mickawinn, do you have lisbeths death certificate. If so could you please post ALL THE DETAILS recorded on it
SS
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14.1 1986 in sale in FindMyPast possible picture of lisbeth smith on IN Manchester evening news
SS
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Thanks for all replies. I don’t have the death certificate yet. Further possible information. I have been told Soren’s parents might be Niels and Marie with two siblings Kristine and Anna.
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The family can be found Family Search 1921 census - all given names match latest post.
Spotted Soren last night but nothing to relate to.
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Cider drinker
Yes I found that one and thought there must be a missing earlier page. Very odd.
The other members of this family are on page 1149.
Ian
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This is a search site I had a quick peep at last night and just returning to -
https://www.danishfamilysearch.dk/search/
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Deleted - a simple (very) check showed I was barking up the wrong tree!
Apologies
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The FamilySearch 1930 Census transcript with Niels and Marie Just states "Year of marriage - 1903".
The original (end column) shows an entry "1903 03 9" which might be "Mar 9th" or "3rd Sep"?
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Hi
It'll be March.
Ian
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Marie Just's date of birth is 16 Dec 1870, born Grundfor - from 1921 and 1925 Census.
FamilySearch has the birth of Ane Marie Jochumsen, born 16 December 1870, place Grundfor, Arhus.
Father Soren Jochumsen, mother Marie Kirstine Christensen
Probable spouse for Neils/Nils Just?
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Hi
It'll be March.
Ian
Thanks for clarifying
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Thanks for the extra information. Time to write it all up and see what I’ve got.
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Thanks for the opportunity to chase Danish records - virgin territory.
Wondering why I can find a FamilySearch birth/christening for Marie Jochumsen/Just, 1870, Grundfor but not Nils/Neils Just, 1871, Grundfor.
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Niels Just (Niels Christen Nielsen) born 10 May 1871 - no 6:
https://arkivalieronline.rigsarkivet.dk/en/billedviser?epid=21618719#391777,74288738
Ian
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That's a cracker.
Grundfor registers are on line at FamilySearch and I had tried
(a) searching under Niels (given name only), year restricted to 1871 birth
(b) searching with no name, year restricted to 1871 birth and location Grundfor, Arhus
but no hits registered.
I had found Ane Marie Jochumsen's FamilySearch baptism 16 Dec 1870 and paged forward to 10 May 1871 for Niels - no joy. Revisiting that search I now realise the records are restricted to females - there are separate volumes male/female. Don't know me Mandtson from me Kvinderson!! I imagine a search of the Arkivalieronline is based on browsing the volumes. Maybe there's an index along the lines of the French "tables décannelles" to help?
regards
HT
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There are sometimes indexes but in this case just to looking in the correct year.
The name Just is recorded as his full name.
Ian
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It was a surprise to see dates of birth recorded on Census records and appearing so consistent.
Thanks for the insight into Danish BDMs.
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Scandinavian records are second to none in this case.
Ian