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Legal and Public Notices. ROBERTS—PETTIGREU. WILL JOHN ROBERTS, formerly of Brymbo collier, who's sister, Ann, married John Pettigreu, moulder, kindly communicate to L., Advertiser Office
Wrexham Advertiser 27 June 1884
Ann Roberts married John Pettegain on 24 Jan 1849 in Wrexham ,her father was John Roberts stonemason.
John Pettigain / Pettigrew was a moulder residence Brymbo, father Gavan Pettigain was a miller.
John Pettigrew bapt 10 March 1851 , also the same day William Gavan Pettigrew bapt at Brymbo and Burial Date 22 Mar 1851
Anne Pettygrew buried aged 25 on 1 Dec 1852 at Brymbo
John Pettigrew remarried
Marriage Date 4 Oct 1854
Parish Manchester, St Mary, St Denys and St George
Father's Name Govan Pettigrew
Spouse's Name Margaret Kay
Spouse's Father's Name Adam Lester
1851 Piece 2502 Folio 277 Page number 14
John Pettigrew 28 Head b Cumberworth, Lancashire, England
Ann Pettigrew 23
Jane Pettigrew 2 Daughter
John Pettigrew 5 Mo Son
Jane Roberts 68 Lodger
That's all I can find, where did they go after John`s marriage in 1854, and the question is why is someone looking for John Roberts over 30 years after her marriage .
Feel free to have a go. Apologies it`s not in correct order.
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Hope i'm reading your post right. If this is who your looking for after 1854, if so then I will carry on searching.
1861 census
Piece 2897
Folio 114
Page number 13
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John Pettigrew 36 Head
Margaret Pettigrew 32 Wife
Jane Pettigrew 12 Daughter*
John Pettigrew 10 Son**
Anne Pettigrew 8 Daughter***
William Pettigrew 5 Son****
* 1871 ref 4039 4 3--married 1871 Francis Loftus, 1881 ref 3926 14 22
** 1871 ref 4001 16 26--married Martha Jane McCabe 1876 (Jane Loftus a witness, father John Pettigrew "Iron Moulder"
*** died aged 11 in 1864 at same address as 1861 census.
**** 1871 ref 4000 160 24
John Pettigrew Snr was born c 1826 his mmn was Stirling
1841 census --Stane, Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Janet Pettegrew 45 b in county
James Pettegrew 20 b in county
Margaret Pettegrew 20 b in county
John Pettegrew 15 b in county occupation "Moulder"
Gavin Pettegrew 10 b in county
Janet Pettegrew 8 b in county
Elisabeth Pettegrew 5 b in county
Janet Forrest 20 b in county
Jane Forrest Jr 1 b Scotland
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Thanks but I can't find them in 1861.
Where are they living, and some places of birth may help.
Looking again at John Pettigrews birth place in 1851 it does look like Lanarkshire.
It's a mystery as to who is looking for John Roberts so far. 🤔
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1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7D6-FSM?lang=en
1851 place of birth reads Cambusnethan, Lanarkshire.
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The usual reason for ads like this is that someone has died and they need to find relatives to pass on a legacy or following intestacy laws. Do you know when John P died?
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Still not answering the question but a "faint" 1871 census ref for John Pettigrew?
3937 9 11----Crown Street (Millstone), Great Bolton, Bolton, Lancashire, England
Thomas Greenwood Head - 48 Innkeeper b Horwich, Lancashire
Elizabeth Greenwood Wife - 43 - b Ince Wigan, Lancashire
Elizabeth Greenwood Daughter -15 Cotton weaver b Darcy Lever, Lancashire
Walter Greenwood Son - 11 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire
Charles Reynolds Boarder - 34 Brewer Manchester, Lancashire
Alfred Reynolds Boarder - 11 Scholar Berwick, Lancashire
John Petyouin Boarder - 48 Iron Moulder bScotland
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So far I have found .
Name Ann Pettegrew Age 11
Birth Date abt 1853 Burial Date 3 Nov 1864
Burial Place Hulme, St George, Lancashire, England
Father John Pettegrew
Mother Margaret Pettegrew
1871 with a William Leather.
William Pettigrew Age 15 Relation Boarder
Where born Openshaw, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Hulme
Ecclesiastical parish St Georges
County/Island Lancashire
No death found for Margaret Pettigrew up to 1920 with soundalike, no death for John Pettigrew either.
1871 from SS . This does make a good match
Thomas Greenwood Head - 48 Innkeeper b Horwich, Lancashire
Elizabeth Greenwood Wife - 43 - b Ince Wigan, Lancashire
Elizabeth Greenwood Daughter -15 Cotton weaver b Darcy Lever, Lancashire
Walter Greenwood Son - 11 Scholar Bolton, Lancashire
Charles Reynolds Boarder - 34 Brewer Manchester, Lancashire
Alfred Reynolds Boarder - 11 Scholar Berwick, Lancashire
John Petyouin Boarder - 48 Iron Moulder b Scotland
after this nothing positive, not doing well ???
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Have just found a reference to a Margaret Pettigeu age 40 died 30th Sep 1869, Hulme
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tsn/
Death is from a workhouse register
Margaret Pettigeu, Withington Workhouse, Chorlton, cause of death abscesses.
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Well done.
I should have said that in the 1851 census the children were born Brymbo,
This is just outside Wrexham, Denbighshire.
John Pettigrew28Head
Ann Pettigrew23Wife
Jane Pettigrew2Daughter
John Pettigrew5 MoSon
1861 they are entered as b Manchester.
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willsy, that was an excellent find, well done.
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Death of John Pettigrew.
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Further info only. Looking closely at John's death in 1878 record's he is a widower of Margaret Rat****. Margaret from the little we know was aged 40 in 1869, and 32 in 1861 census born Warrington c1829.
She married for seemingly the 3RD time in 4th October 1854 to John Pettigrew. Her father Adam Lester--Basket Maker
Her 2ND marriage as a widow (Margaret Ratcliffe) 26th September 1852 was to Christopher Kay. Her father Adam Leicester-occ Basket Maker.
1St marriage--trying to establish if indeed there was one.
PETTIGREW, WILLIAM mmn RATCLIFFE
GRO Reference: 1855 M Quarter in CHORLTON Volume 08C Page 473
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added, Do not personally think there was a 1st marriage.
1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGYJ-216?lang=en
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Adam Leicester married Betty Ratcliff 10th Feb 1834 Grappenhall, Cheshire
Baptism of Margaret Ratcliffe 7.6.1829 Warrington, mother Betsy--no father recorded.
1841 census--Church Street, Warrington, Lancashire & Cheshire, England
Adam Leicester Male 35 1806 Lancashire, England basket maker
Betsey Leicester Female 30 1811 Lancashire, England
John Leicester Male 10 1831 Lancashire, England
Ellen Leicester Female 0 1841 Lancashire, England
Margaret Ratcliffe Female 12 1829 Lancashire, England
John Ratcliffe Male 9 1832 Lancashire, England
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1851 census--image for surname looks more like Leicester
Adam Lancaster Head Married Male 47 1804 Basket maker Penketh, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Lancaster Wife Married Female 48 1803 Wife Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Lancaster Daughter - Female 10 1841 Scholar Warrington, Lancashire, England
John Ratclieff Lodger Unmarried Male 19 1832 Labourer Warrington, Lancashire, England
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1861
Adam Suiter Head Married Male 58 1803 Basket maker Warrington, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Suiter Wife Married Female 53 1808 - Warrington, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Suiter Daughter - Female 10 1851 Scholar Warrington, Lancashire, England
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1871 census
Mary Fisher Head - Female 35 1836 Fustian cutter Warrington, Lancashire, England
James Fisher Son - Male 12 1859 Scholar Warrington, Lancashire, England
Mary Ellen Fisher Daughter - Female 3 1868 Scholar Warrington, Lancashire, England
Adam Leicester Lodger - Male 68 1803 Basket maker Warrington, Lancashire, England
Mary Ann Leicester Daughter - Female 20 1851 Weaver Warrington, Lancashire, England
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Thank wilcoxon and SS; have been looking and I don't think there was a first marriage either.
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I think this is a record for son William, admitted to the same workhouse as Margaret, discharged 21st May 1874 age 18
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tso/
Death reg. for a William Pettigrem 1875 age 19
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tsp/
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do you have age of ann roberts on marriage and names of witnesses
how many john roberts stonemasons are there on any 1841 census with an Ann or john of appropriate age to be his child
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Thanks for sticking with this, remember it isn't a relative but I was curious about the advert.
There is no 1841 census for Wrexham area.
Wittnesses Edwd Lovatt ? John Shefton his mark.
They married in St Giles which is in Wrexham. Both full age.
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An Edward Lovatt was a Parish Clerk. Bapt 1826 buried 1886. Noted as Clerk of this parish for 34 years
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A John Shefton married Hannah Griffiths in Brymbo 1835. Banns only,
1851 they are in Abbot Street. Wrexham. Shephton. Wine merchant
Also in Abbot Street is Edward Lovatt clerk. Father is a publican.
Possibly no relation. Abbot Street is very close to St Giles.
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Ann Roberts
BAPTISM DATE:11 Jun 1827
BAPTISM PLACE:Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales
FATHER:John. Mason
MOTHER:Jane
Abode Brymbo.
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John Roberts / Jane Jones .
marriage banns Brymbo.18 Feb 1827
John Roberts, bachelor , Mason married Jane Jones widow in Wrexham 9 Mar 1827
John signed Jane X
Witnesses John Hughes / Jane Hughes both X
Not finding a definite baptism for John Roberts brother of Ann.
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1851 Piece 2502 Folio 277 Page number 14
John Pettigrew 28 Head b Cumberworth, Lancashire, England
Ann Pettigrew 23
Jane Pettigrew 2 Daughter
John Pettigrew 5 Mo Son
Jane Roberts 68 Lodger
10 April 1858
A Jane Roberts was buried at Brymbo aged 75.
Not finding a definate burial for John Roberts .
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Just running this by you, Jane Roberts is as age 68 and with not finding a baptism for John, do you think John could be a Jones?
However, I did find a marriage of a John Roberts to Mary Ann Taylor, Wrexham 1839
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tsr/
Father John Roberts mason
Wit. John Roberts, Jane Evans
Collier on marriage, born Brymbo and Collier on census returns, birth 1821/1822
1851 Census, Brymbo John, Mary, Ed, Jane
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tss/
Jane Q1 Wrexham 1847 MMN Taylor
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looks like wilcoxon is on right lines researching the mother more could lead to a breakthrough . her grave or her marriage & maiden name .
dont think john could be a jones unless mother married twice + he took on stepfathers name .or was born to a single mother before his parents were married
the Will specifically names him as john ROBERTS
dont think youve answered my questions re ann & pettigrews marriage certificate + witnesses
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looks like wilcoxon is on right lines researching the mother more could lead to a breakthrough . her grave or her marriage & maiden name .
dont think john could be a jones unless mother married twice + he took on stepfathers name .or was born to a single mother before his parents were married
the Will specifically names him as john ROBERTS
dont think youve answered my questions re ann & pettigrews marriage certificate + witnesses
Thanks for sticking with this, remember it isn't a relative but I was curious about the advert.
There is no 1841 census for Wrexham area.
Wittnesses Edwd Lovatt ? John Shefton his mark.
They married in St Giles which is in Wrexham. Both full age.
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looks like wilcoxon is on right lines researching the mother more could lead to a breakthrough . her grave or her marriage & maiden name .
dont think john could be a jones unless mother married twice + he took on stepfathers name .or was born to a single mother before his parents were married
the Will specifically names him as john ROBERTS
dont think youve answered my questions re ann & pettigrews marriage certificate + witnesses
A John Shefton married Hannah Griffiths in Brymbo 1835. Banns only,
1851 they are in Abbot Street. Wrexham. Shephton. Wine merchant
Also in Abbot Street is Edward Lovatt clerk. Father is a publican.
Possibly no relation. Abbot Street is very close to St Giles.
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John Roberts / Jane Jones .
marriage banns Brymbo.18 Feb 1827
John Roberts, bachelor , Mason married Jane Jones widow in Wrexham 9 Mar 1827
John signed Jane X
Witnesses John Hughes / Jane Hughes both X
Not finding a definite baptism for John Roberts brother of Ann.
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John Pettigrew died 1878.
The notice searching for John Roberts was published in the Wrexham newspapers 1884.
I have found nothing similar between those years.
I think this search is a lost cause. I was hoping to find that it may have been a descendant of Ann who was .
Thanks for chipping in .