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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Steve C on Tuesday 27 May 25 21:28 BST (UK)
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Been going through some old notes and records, having a general tidy up of loose ends. Attached is a copy screenshot of a reply by Annie65115 regarding a burial for my Great Grandfather John Hall in 1935.
Since then I have checked the other people mentioned. I have today checked with Gilroes ( who I have to say are very helpful and efficient with their replies.....so this is a public thank you to them :) ), Gilroes have informed me that the grave where my Great Grandfather John Hall formerly of Buckminster Road was buried in 1935 was purchased part used. This being the case I can discount the George Weston and Ernest Frederick Wright mentioned in the Annie65115 reply as ancestors. The John William Hall who died aged 61 also of Buckminster Road was the son of my Grandfather John Hall. I have all of John William Hall`s records to include a copy of his will.
That leaves Mary Eliza Hall who died also in 1935 aged 66 formerly of 9 Richard Street. I am struggling to find out who she was. I did try FreeBMD by putting Hall in the surname box, Mary Eliza in the Spouse first name(s) box, then ticking marriages before selecting Leicestershire to see if any names cropped up that I recognise, unfortunately there were way too many results returned to even begin trying to rule candidates in or out.
Does anyone have a mention of Mary Eliza Hall in their tree or have access to information or records that could help me find out whether she is related?
Many thanks in anticipation for all offers of help and assistance.
Steve ;)
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Have you downloaded a digital copy of her death cert to establish who reported her death & their relationship to her? Cost is £3
HALL, MARY ELIZA 66
GRO Reference: 1935 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 227
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There is a newspaper report of her death, unfortunately I don't have access.
9 Jan 1935, Leicester Evening Mail.
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Here is the Newspaper mention. Nothing noting any family.
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Have you downloaded a digital copy of her death cert to establish who reported her death & their relationship to her? Cost is £3
HALL, MARY ELIZA 66
GRO Reference: 1935 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 227
I had considered that but I have purchased several digital certificates recently, two of which were not related family members, I was hoping there was another way to find out who Mary Eliza Hall was before going down that route.
There is a newspaper report of her death, unfortunately I don't have access.
9 Jan 1935, Leicester Evening Mail.
Many thanks for your reply maddys52, looks like Taylor94 has obliged ;)
Here is the Newspaper mention. Nothing noting any family.
Thankyou very much Taylor94 for taking the time to research and post your findings ;D
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1931 Electoral Register
9 Richard Street, Charnwood Ward
Mary Eliza Weston [owner]
John Hall
marriage Q4 1934, Leicester
John Hall, Mary E Weston
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1931 Electoral Register
9 Richard Street, Charnwood Ward
Mary Eliza Weston [owner]
John Hall
marriage Q4 1934, Leicester
John Hall, Mary E Weston
Many thanks Alan for your reply and the details you supply ;)
I did carry out a cursory look on the 1921 Census before posting without any success, your reply explains why if she did not marry until 1934. I also checked the Gov UK website for a possible mention in the Wills or Probate again without success.
Now off to try and find out who the John Hall is and if he is related.
Steve
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Good luck!
I realise that Mary Eliza Weston isn't your primary interest, but here are some hints in case you need to find/follow her:
Mary Eliza Wright married George Weston 1888
son Frederick born 1888
family are in 1891 and 1901 censuses
George Weston d 1910
ME and F in 1911 census with lodgers including F's future wife
M E Weston in 1921 at 109 Syston Street with one lodger (not John Hall!)
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Good luck!
I realise that Mary Eliza Weston isn't your primary interest, but here are some hints in case you need to find/follow her:
Mary Eliza Wright married George Weston 1888
son Frederick born 1888
family are in 1891 and 1901 censuses
George Weston d 1910
ME and F in 1911 census with lodgers including F's future wife
M E Weston in 1921 at 109 Syston Street with one lodger (not John Hall!)
Thankyou very much Alan for your latest reply and the extra hints, certainly very helpful and much needed ;)
As with my Great Grandfather named John Hall it took absolutely ages to finally track down a burial especially being a reasonably common name. I`ll gratefully accept your Good Luck wish........think I`ll be needing it.
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Evening
It looks as though the info I gave you in the snip shown above was not quite right (I don't know why, I apologise)- John William Hall was interred in that grave in 1941, age 57. I don't know if this helps at all.
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It looks as though the info I gave you in the snip shown above was not quite right (I don't know why, I apologise)- John William Hall was interred in that grave in 1941, age 57. I don't know if this helps at all.
Hi Annie65115,
Thankyou very much for popping back with the update, very much appreciated.
Steve :)
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It looks to me as though Mary Eliza Hall was prev married to George Weston. John William Hall was the son of John Hall who is turn was Mary Eliza's second husband, after George Weston died.
So taking Mary Eliza as our index, that would mean the grave occupants were:
Mary Eliza (index)
George Weston (first husband)
John Hall (second husband)
John William Hall (stepson)
Ernest Frederick Wright (haven't looked into him)
Is there any reason why this should be more complicated than that?
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Ernest Frederick Wright was Mary Eliza’s younger brother.
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It looks to me as though Mary Eliza Hall was prev married to George Weston. John William Hall was the son of John Hall who is turn was Mary Eliza's second husband, after George Weston died.
So taking Mary Eliza as our index, that would mean the grave occupants were:
Mary Eliza (index)
George Weston (first husband)
John Hall (second husband)
John William Hall (stepson)
Ernest Frederick Wright (haven't looked into him)
Is there any reason why this should be more complicated than that?
It appears to be a lot more complicated than that unfortunately :(
As per my opening post and what I now know :-
Mary Eliza Hall ( 9 Richard Street, as previous replies to this thread show she did marry a John Hall but I don`t know who that John Hall was or if he is related at this stage, its not the John Hall buried in Gilroes though ).
John Hall ( formerly of Buckminster Road , I have his death certificate confirming residence, he was my Great Grandfather, he married twice, his first wife was Mary Ann, his second wife was Sarah Elizabeth).
John William Hall ( also formerly of Buckminster Road, he was the first son of my Great Grandfather John Hall mentioned above with his first wife Mary Ann, I have probate details confirming his address and the name of his wife. )
Now the conundrum.........why are Ernest Frederick Wright ( as Alan Boyd has kindly confirmed is Mary Eliza`s younger brother ) and George Weston ( Mary Eliza`s first husband ) also buried there?? I intially discounted them because they died in 1923 and 1910 respectively and Gilroes were telling me the grave was purchased part used, I assumed they were in the plot when it was purchased.
Please excuse the pun but the plot thickens.................hope I have managed to explain things as they stand at present.
Steve
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As with my Great Grandfather named John Hall it took absolutely ages to finally track down a burial especially being a reasonably common name. I`ll gratefully accept your Good Luck wish........think I`ll be needing it.
Perhaps this is not the burial of your G Grandfather? The relationships of those in the burial plot all seem to make sense according to Annie's post. :-\
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Perhaps the plot was originally sold to one of the Weston/Wright family? And they decided they no longer needed it, or time ran out on the lease, so when Mary Eliza took her 3rd surname of Hall, the Hall family decided to buy the remaining lease?
How do you know (without the certificate) that Mary Eliza married a DIFFERENT John Hall?
How does your line run -- from John Hall to who? Can you post a summary of the info you have about that generation so we can double check? Because I really do wonder if things are much simpler than you think. It's so easy to go astray with a common surname!
(Edited to add- I've had a look at some of your other threads about the Halls and a (possible?) Barrow on Soar link - and yes, I'm confused! Was your grandfather John William Hall? In your first post on this thread, you refer to John Hall as both grandfather and great grandfather).
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Oh dear, JWH met a grisly end - I've just read about the inquest on his death in the paper - it mentions his mother in law, Ada Bruce, but no other family members.
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As with my Great Grandfather named John Hall it took absolutely ages to finally track down a burial especially being a reasonably common name. I`ll gratefully accept your Good Luck wish........think I`ll be needing it.
Perhaps this is not the burial of your G Grandfather? The relationships of those in the burial plot all seem to make sense according to Annie's post. :-\
The addresses that Annie65115 gave in her original reply were John Hall in Gilroes buried 10th April 1935 aged 73 of 63 Buckminster Road. John William Hall aged 61 of Buckminster Road.
I am using this information as confirmation that it is my Great Grandfather John Hall and his first son John William Hall. The last record I have for John William Hall is the 1939 register which has him living at 63 Buckminster Road with his wife Lilian. I know my Great Grandfather John Hall had been living with John William Hall for several years up until his death in 1935 ( his death certificate states he was living at 63 Buckminster Road and the informant was Lilian Hall the wife of John William Hall ).
These details persuade me to believe its my relations buried there.
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Perhaps the plot was originally sold to one of the Weston/Wright family? And they decided they no longer needed it, or time ran out on the lease, so when Mary Eliza took her 3rd surname of Hall, the Hall family decided to buy the remaining lease?
How do you know (without the certificate) that Mary Eliza married a DIFFERENT John Hall?
How does your line run -- from John Hall to who? Can you post a summary of the info you have about that generation so we can double check? Because I really do wonder if things are much simpler than you think. It's so easy to go astray with a common surname!
(Edited to add- I've had a look at some of your other threads about the Halls and a (possible?) Barrow on Soar link - and yes, I'm confused! Was your grandfather John William Hall? In your first post on this thread, you refer to John Hall as both grandfather and great grandfather).
Yes sorry about that my mistake :( . John Hall was my Great Grandfather. John William Hall was his first son ( making him my Grand Uncle ).
Have sent you a pm.
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Oh dear, JWH met a grisly end - I've just read about the inquest on his death in the paper - it mentions his mother in law, Ada Bruce, but no other family members.
Absolutely, not very nice reading that for the first time. Ada Bruce was his Mother in Law ( the mum of his wife Lilian ).
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Would like to clarify that I have obtained information to confirm my Great Grandfather married for a third time, albeit and sadly very briefly.
John Hall married Mary Eliza Weston as per the details Alan Boyd gave in reply #5 of this thread.
Many many thanks to everyone that participated in this topic for their time researching on my behalf to help me solve the conundrum of who was/is buried at Gilroes ;D
Steve ;)