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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Dora A Smith on Tuesday 27 May 25 16:07 BST (UK)
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Can someone please transcribe this for me. There are some words I just cannot make out, especially his name, his parents' names, and his occupation - and the witnesses. He may have been related to family who went to this church.
It took me 15 minutes to get into this forum and have to go to work, so will have to explain it properly later.
Yours,
Dora Smith
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Fol.(io) Fourteen
Baptism
T.A. Bain
Thomas Aylwin Bain son of Charles Robert Bain of Montreal, brewer and Catherine Goodwin (?) his wife was born on the twenty fourth day of June Eighteen Hundred and Twenty and baptized on the 28 day of July eighteen hundred and twenty one.
Witnesses:
Chas. Robt. Bain
Catherine G. Bain Parents J. Gardner (?) Minister
My best guess.
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Thanks! That beats my best guess!
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One thing, though, the Unitarian Universalist church did not exist in 1821, and, the minister was Cordner. He was probably Catholic and rebaptized when he joined that church. But you did better on the parts I couldn't get!
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Those dates could also be eighteen hundred and SEVENTY and SEVENTY ONE. Not sure.
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That handwriting....ugh. Well done lanarman.
The baptism is in the records of the Unitarian Messiah church in Montreal in 1871.
Welcome to Rootschat Dora.
DB
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Yes, it is on record at that church, you know I came up with that image somehow, if I never found it - and Lanarman did a better job of transcribing it than Ancestry did.
It's actually the fact that it was at that church that caught my attention.
Ancestry transcribed it as 1870 or 1871. I looked at it and that made sense. One thing, though, the guy was clearly middle aged, if he was baptized when the church even existed. Recording who his parents were might have been a matter of form - but, they also signed it? And I didn't catch the record of their baptisms. Montreal was formal and correct with their records, but, would the parents have signed it in middle age?
The church really did not exist in 1820.
I have substantial ancestry that went there, and I'm trying to trace one of them. Jane Bane/ Bain/ Cubane/ Cabean/ Conbean. She left both her husband and the church and went to the Catholic cathedral and had two of her kids rebaptized there. The name is highland Scottish. There wree two clans, McBean, and Bain. Bain never put a k sound in front if their name. Bean was pronounced like Bain. I'm like, why was a member of this Catholic family at the UU church? Especially if he was a brewer. It was common for young clerks to join this church and attach themselves to the hardware magnates who had founded and ran it.
Yours,
Dora Smith
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Actually I think it said his FATHER was a brewer. This is really strange. It looks as if he were baptized as a baby but the way i read it it says he was born long before 1870. The church was founded in 1842. Before that its members were typically Presbyterians.
Dora
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Hi,
Good work lanarman.
Looking at the Ancestry image from the Drouin collection makes things much clearer.
There is a side piece which gives the date of 1871 and the previous entry is easier to read and definitely 1871.
I think I would make the mothers maiden name Godwin.
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The surname is actually BAIRD not Bain. 1871 Canadian Census, Hochelaga District, Quebec : Charles Robert Baird, age 31 born Scotland, Unitarian religion, merchant. Catherine, 32, born in Quebec, Mary age 4, Isabella age 2 and Thomas age 9 months born June. Next family enumerated was Mary Goodwin age 70 born Scotland.
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Insolvent Act of 1869. Quebec Official Gazette Sept. 11, 1869.
In the matter of Dame Catherine Goodwin of Hochelaga in the parish of Montreal, marchande publique, wife of Charles Robert Baird of the same place, trader, from her said husband duly separated as to property carrying on trade and business at Hochelaga aforesaid under the name of C.G. Baird an Insolvent.
The creditors of the above named insolvent are notified to meet at my office No. 1, Union Buildings St. Francis Xavier Street in the City of Montreal on Monday the 20th day of September 1869 at 3 o'clock in the afternoon for the public examination of the Insolvent and the ordering of the affairs of her Estate generally. T.S. Brown, Official Assignee. Montreal 4th Sept. 1869
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Wow, nice one lanarman. Now knowing that, looking at Charles' signature, I can see a d.
Charles Robert Baird marries Catherine Goodwin in 1875 at the Montreal Christian Unitarian
church.
Scroll to the bottom and click on their names for details.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tsy/
I think this is the family now in Brooklyn, New York, USA in 1875 with 1 more child. It was
transcribed as Baried,
Baried, Charles age 35, clerk b. Scotland
Baried, Catherine age 35, b. Canada
Baried, Mary age 8
Baried, Isabella age 6
Baried, Thomas age 4
Baried, Catherine age 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VNJZ-GDL?lang=en
DB
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Slightly improved handwriting this time.
There is a baptism Unitarian Messiah church in 1873 for Catherine Estella Goodwin Baird, father
Charles Robert Baird, brewer, mother Catherine Goodwin, b.12 Nov. 1872, baptised 19 Mar. 1873.
Both parents sign and the minister is again Cordner. Guess he had some time to improve his cursive. :)
Sadly there is a Kings, New York death record for Catherine E.G. Baird, age 3, death date 30
June 1875.
DB
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Thanks for the comments but it perhaps was a stroke of luck on my part. I originally thought that the surname was Bain but nothing matched on census records, etc. The Baird surname opened the doors and led to the inevitable brick wall being torn down. You also added some important information to the puzzle, dbree.
The question now is- did this help you Dora or have we gone off on a wild goose chase for your purposes?