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Title: what does this mean?
Post by: BronwenS on Monday 26 May 25 03:38 BST (UK)
I came across this - an 'unamed hide' what does this mean?
Thonglands was an unnamed hide in Tugford manor

All responses appreciated and responded to.


Nga mihi nui (very best wishes)
Bronwen
Otautahi
Aotearoa
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: shanreagh on Monday 26 May 25 04:07 BST (UK)
Well from a NZ perspective a hide is a place where shooters are concealed while shotting game animals or birds....duck shooters often call their hide here in NZ a 'mai mai'

This is Mrs Google's definition

'A shooting hide, also known as a hunting blind, is a structure used to conceal hunters or wildlife observers, allowing them to approach and observe their target without being seen. These hides can range from simple, makeshift structures to more elaborate, commercially available options. They provide cover and concealment, helping hunters to remain undetected by their prey.'

Not sure if it is 'unarmed' or 'unnamed'. Perhaps an 'unarmed' hide is an observation one only?
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: BronwenS on Monday 26 May 25 04:10 BST (UK)
Thanks I am a kiwi and know all about hides where shooters are that shoot ducks during 'the season' not what this is about I am sure.
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: Kay99 on Monday 26 May 25 04:22 BST (UK)
I wonder is this was the meaning of hide in a Shropshire context??  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hide_(unit)

Kay
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: goldie61 on Monday 26 May 25 04:25 BST (UK)
https://www.britannica.com/topic/hide-English-land-unit#:~:text=hide%2C%20in%20early%20English%20history,much%20smaller%20holding%20before%201066.
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: BronwenS on Monday 26 May 25 04:32 BST (UK)
The link didn't seem to go anywhere really, but I did somehow get this:

The hide was an English unit of land measurement originally intended to represent the amount of land sufficient to support a household.
the land area it took to feed an ordinary family (around 12 acres,

So it could be that.

thanks
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: BronwenS on Monday 26 May 25 04:35 BST (UK)
Thanks Goldie.  Sounds correct, although it is a very different measurement to the one I found - to feed a family.
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: Calleva on Monday 26 May 25 12:12 BST (UK)
I’m no expert in this field (‘he who would pun would pick a pocket’) but suggest the ‘hide’ in this instance refers to the unit of assessment and peasant landholding used from the pre Norman to early Medieval periods.

https://www.domesdaybook.net/domesday-book/data-terminology/weights-measures/hides
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: BronwenS on Monday 26 May 25 20:37 BST (UK)
Many thanks Calleva.  It seems I am now on the right track.

Much appreciated that so many of you have responded.

Nga mihi nui (very best wishes)
Bronwen
Otautahi
Aotearoa
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: Rena on Monday 26 May 25 21:35 BST (UK)
I followed the link and found it mentioned the word "danelaw".   I found this interesting as East Riding Yorkshire once paid the Vikings (the Danes of Denmark)  a sort of ransome for not pillaging and plundering the land.  The money given was known as "geld" pronounced "gelt" and my parents born early 1900s still used the word daily, as in:  "I haven't any loose change (money/cash), have you any gelt, mother?".   

"In Old English, "hide" (hida) was a unit of land measurement equivalent to the amount of land needed to support a household, typically around 120 acres (49 hectares). It was the basis for land taxation and was used for military mustering.
Title: Re: what does this mean?
Post by: BronwenS on Monday 26 May 25 21:39 BST (UK)
Thanks Hena, interesting stuff.