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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: ALAMO2008 on Friday 23 May 25 20:38 BST (UK)
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Pte 1964 William Newall of 1/5th King's Liverpool went to France 21 February 1915
His Death became assumed 08 August 1916 but that was accepted after 1917 because he was still missing and as a Territorial he was Renumbered as 200343 in 1917 when they Renumbered their Territorial Battalion
If his War Gratuity was Calculated for Payment as £8 :10s to 8 August 1916
Can Someone Advise me when he Approximately Enlisted then ?
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He was 18yrs old in 1916 according to cwgc
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Appears to be William Edward Newall mmn Brown b Sept qtr 1898
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He was 18yrs old in 1916 according to cwgc
Agreed CaroleW
But he was Born 3 July 1898 Registered September Quarter 1898 West Derby Vol 8b page 440 Mother's Maiden Name = Brown ( Harriet Ann)
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As enlistment age was 18yrs he should only have enlisted on or after 3.7.1916 so clearly lied about his age if he went to France in 1915.
Presume there is no Fold 3 entry?
Was there any special procedure by the military when a soldier died & was then found to have been underage when they enlisted?
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As enlistment age was 18yrs he should only have enlisted on or after 3.7.1916 so clearly lied about his age if he went to France in 1915.
Presume there is no Fold 3 entry?
Was there any special procedure by the military when a soldier died & was then found to have been underage when they enlisted?
Sorry - Never heard of that procedure.
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Find My Past have two medical records for him under service number 1964 ----
4th Stationary Hospital, St Omer -- declared that he was 19 years of age and had been in the Army for 1 full year. Date of admission not recorded but he was discharged to duty on 23/7/1915. He had been admitted for a Carbuncle.
2nd General Hospital, Le Havre -- declared that he was in '2 Company', age 17 years, had been in the army or 1 full year and 'in the field' for 9 months. He was admitted on the 8/10/1915 and discharged to duty on the 14/11/1915. He had been admitted with a 'Whitlow, thumb' -- it must have been badly infected as he was in hospital for 38 days.
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War Gratuity = £5 for year 1 & 10s. for every month thereafter.
So 1 year 4 months giving an attestation of March 1915 which
doesn't gel with the other info given he gave.
Taking into account his 3 months training the latest he could have
joined would be Oct. 1914.
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Find My Past have two medical records for him under service number 1964 ----
4th Stationary Hospital, St Omer -- declared that he was 19 years of age and had been in the Army for 1 full year. Date of admission not recorded but he was discharged to duty on 23/7/1915. He had been admitted for a Carbuncle.
2nd General Hospital, Le Havre -- declared that he was in '2 Company', age 17 years, had been in the army or 1 full year and 'in the field' for 9 months. He was admitted on the 8/10/1915 and discharged to duty on the 14/11/1915. He had been admitted with a 'Whitlow, thumb' -- it must have been badly infected as he was in hospital for 38 days.
Brilliant Finds Allan
Cheers
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Looking at the 5/Btn. service numbers 1820 joined March 1914
& 1954 joined Aug. 1914 so quite a good recruitment with your
man being just 10 above the last entry so must have joined pretty
much after the outbreak of war.
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War Gratuity = £5 for year 1 & 10s. for every month thereafter.
So 1 year 4 months giving an attestation of March 1915 which
doesn't gel with the other info given he gave.
Taking into account his 3 months training the latest he could have
joined would be Oct. 1914.
Cheers Jim1
His War Gratuity was £8 :10s to 8 August 1916
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His War Gratuity was £8 :10s to 8 August 1916
Sorry bad maths.
1 years & 7 months which gives a date of Dec. 1914/Jan. 1915 which still
doesn't quite match a Feb. 21st. embarkation which is stated on his MIC.
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His War Gratuity was £8 :10s to 8 August 1916
Sorry bad maths.
1 years & 7 months which gives a date of Dec. 1914/Jan. 1915 which still
doesn't quite match a Feb. 21st. embarkation which is stated on his MIC.
Cheers Jim1
I thought possibly 19 months to those enlistment dates
But Le Havre Hospital Record 8 October 1915 that AllanUK found states his Service had been 1 Year
Just found that the Red Cross created a POW Card for him because he was missing.
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There were exemptions as to when Gratuity started so maybe he joined in Oct. 1914
but didn't qualify until Dec./Jan. 1915.