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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: Emzunicorn01 on Friday 23 May 25 12:44 BST (UK)
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Hi all , my 2nd great grandad was Samuel Tugwell (1861- died in 1923 Poplar ) His wife was Elizabeth Sarah Bunce.
His occupation was a coal porter working at the dockyards. Im trying to find out anymore information on him. I cannot seem to trace any form of a probate either.
Any ideas where I can look more up on his work life ? Probate? Thank you
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1921 census entry shows the name of his employer
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A search of the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1995 has failed to find anything for him. Not everyone left a will or an estate where probate had to be applied for by the family.
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Not his work life, but he lived at 55 Montesquieu Street in 1911 and 1921. This street no longer exists.
The link below will take you to a large scale map view from the 1890s showing the street running diagonally across the frame.
If you slide the slider at the bottom left ["Change transparency..."] you will reveal a modern map of the area.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.5&lat=51.51492&lon=0.01049&layers=188&b=osm&o=100 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18.5&lat=51.51492&lon=0.01049&layers=188&b=osm&o=100)
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No 55 Montesquieu Street: notes from the 1910 Lloyd George Valuation:
annual rent £8, paid weekly
owner J Whitelock, 320 Romford Rd, Forest Gate, freeholder
Small Brick-built house
Flat front small forecourt
Yard at rear
Up. 3 rooms
Down. 2 rooms, Scullery & W.C.
[elsewhere]
Brick-built and slated
frontage 15' 6"
condition: Poor
And from the accompanying map, no. 55 is at the south end of – and on the south side of – the street. Look at the map I linked above: find the short straight section leading in from Rathbone Street at the south end; at the bend where the Montesquieu turns to the north west there is a pair of semi-detached houses set well back from the street. No. 55 is the house immediately to the east of those houses, on a long narrow plot, and with a small triangular forecourt.
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His son Sydney was born 1886 in Redhill, so I think that it's very likely that he is the man mentioned in this newspaper article.
23 December 1884: Epsom Journal
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The 1921 Census identifies employer and there is an entry under place of work which leads me to the "R H Docks" (not easy to read) which I believe are Victoria, Albert and George V Docks?
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@Alan Boyd (et al)
Hi
I've never used the Lloyd George Valuation.
I have a lot of London ancestry and it looks absolutely fascinating (well, for map nerds...)
Is it online available only at The Genealogist?
Is it easy to use ?
Thanks
Rebel
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As far as I know, yes, only at The Genealogist. And yes, for map nerds it is fantastic, and it is easy to use, once you have found the locality of interest. There are map views with individual properties marked with clickable keys and that takes you to a transcript and to the images of the valuation records. Just be aware that it is still being rolled out so currently the coverage limited to the broad south east. There are regular updates however.
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Hi
Thanks for your answer.
I'll have to look at their subscription offers first!
I've just read their T & Cs....
looks like you can be shot at dawn for sharing info!
Rebel