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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Gerard 62 on Monday 19 May 25 14:21 BST (UK)
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Hi Guys,
Agnes married Richard Patton on 15 Feb 1900 in Belfast. Can you find her birth record?
On the 1901 census, I think I see her father James age 54 & mother Anne age 52, Co Antrim - but is that correct?
Did that James & Ann Caldwell have a daughter Agnes?
Thanks
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For reference-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10332/5761726.pdf
Bride's residence Greencastle, father James Caldwell a farmer. Agnes age 19 so born c1881.
Richard Patton & wife Agnes in 1901- Agnes aged 21 so born c1880-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward__Belfast/Catherine_s_Row/977803/
In 1911 Richard Patton & wife now Ruth (married 1 year)-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Barbour_Street/170755/
Sadly, Agnes Patton died in 1908 in Greencastle and her father James Caldwell of Greencastle was the informant-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1908/05481/4535003.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-upper/shankill/duncairn/greencastle/
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On the 1901 census, I think I see her father James age 54 & mother Anne age 52, Co Antrim - but is that correct?
Did that James & Ann Caldwell have a daughter Agnes?
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Killoquin_North/Tamlaght/946736/
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/killoquin/church-tamlaght/
This family living near Rasharkin (and nowhere near Greencastle)
There's a son Charles- here's his birth in Tamlaght-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1883/02727/2002956.pdf
However, here's that same Charles Caldwell in 1911 census- in household of Richard Patton!
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Barbour_Street/170755/
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Whilst the 1901 census records Anne as James wife I am wondering if James may have remarried between the birth of John Joseph 1888 and 1901 if this is the John Joseph in 1901 census
1901 census
Caldwell James 54 Male Head of Family R C
Caldwell Margt 56 Female Sister R C
Caldwell Chas 17 Male Son R C
Caldwell Jno Jos 13 Male Son R C **
Caldwell Anne 52 Female Wife R C
** birth
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1888/02528/1936613.pdf
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Is the marriage of parents of Charles Caldwell.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1870/11380/8178402.pdf
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Births for children of James Caldwell & Annie Hamill-
John (20 Dec.1872 Dreen)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1872/03226/2182503.pdf (father teacher)
Jane (15 Sept.1874)
Mary Ellen (1 July 1877 Dreen)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1877/03001/2099804.pdf (father National School teacher)
Charles (19 Sept.1883)- born Tamlaght, father farmer
Dreen townland marches Tamlaght-
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/kilconway/killoquin/church-tamlaght/
? Caldwell James of Tamlaght Rasharkin county Antrim farmer died 29 September 1931 Administration Belfast 16 September [1946] to Mary McErlaine married woman. Effects £215 10s.
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Thanks Guys. Nothing clear there about Agnes's birth. A DNA link suggests that Agnes may be a sister of John Caldwell who married Isabella McGinn in Belfast on 4 July 1909. Father there was James Caldwell, a labourer.
Would you all agree that the John married in 1909, age 21, is the John Joseph (born 1888) linked by Softly Softly? Can anyone read his mothers name? Maguire??
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The 1901 census says John Joseph Caldwell was born in Co. Antrim (as the rest of the family). The birth that softly softly posted was in Dublin with the father James being a smith. So, wrong county (quite far apart) and completely wrong occupation for father.
1901 census shows an unmarried sister of James Caldwell's. That sister Margaret died 1919-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05153/4420820.pdf
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1909 marriage of John Caldwell to Isabella McGinn-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10023/5645944.pdf
Here they are in 1911 in the Maginn household-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Beechfield_Street/219948/
Note that John Caldwell's occupation is conductor B.C. tramway [Belfast City?]. In 1911 Charles Caldwell was a railway labourer.
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I can see a transcript of a baptism on 20 July 1880 in Rasharkin RC parish for Agnes Caldwell, parents recorded as James Caldwell and Ann Hamill, the sponsor was Jane Hamill, the priest was J. Convery. I can't see it on the NLI Catholic Parish Registers website, so I imagine it's from a different register. Nor can I readily find a civil birth registration.
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Thinking along same lines as gaffy and just started searching baptismal registers.
Civil registration of Mary Ellen gives birth as 1 July 1877. However, the entry in register shows her baptised on 15 May 1877-
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633199?locale=en#page/145/mode/1up (parents James Colwell as Ellen Hamill)
So, if they registered one child this late it's possible others were also (or not registered at all)
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Fabulous work guys. Thank you.
The Church record of the baptism of Agnes answers my question about James & Anne having a daughter Agnes. The ages tie in too. Add in the description of her father as a farmer (on her marriage cert) and the later appearance of Charles Caldwell in Richard Patton's census and it all holds together.
I hope I can call on your expertise again when I formulate my next (harder) question.
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Not sure what angle your research is coming from (Caldwells or Pattons or ? ) but here a few more bits-
Death of Charles Hamill, schoolmaster-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06057/4726523.pdf
Baptism of John Caldwell of Dreen on 15 Dec.1872 (registration date 20 Dec.1872)
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633199?locale=en#page/130/mode/1up
Baptism of Jane Caldwell of Tamlaght on 19 Sept.1874 (GONI index 15 Sept.1874)
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633199?locale=en#page/136/mode/1up
Birth registration for Jane-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1874/03129/2147269.pdf
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Thanks aghadowey.
I'm trying to identify my wife's great grandparents, to complete a family tree & hang it on the wall.
This thread was about her other grandparents, so that I can narrow down her DNA matches.
I'll put up my core question shortly, hoping that I haven't already imposed too much on your expertise.
[New Thread Coming]