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Please can somebody inform me of the basic details of Thomas Kirtland that married Jane Winter in London in the June q of 1882 ?
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aged 40, a bachelor, occupation-servant, father John Kirtland-occupation Cord wainer.
Jane, aged 31, spinster, Father Joseph Winter--occupation Carpenter.
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added, his birth
KIRTLAND, THOMAS COLLINS
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in THAME UNION Volume 16 Page 115
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1881 census
Piece 119 Folio 41 Page number 20
George J.F. Hatton 65 Head
Thomas Kirtland 38 Servant
Eliza Stent 26 Servant
Isabella J. Little 21 Servant
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Birth & death of son
KIRTLAND, ARTHUR WILLIAM WINTER
GRO Reference: 1882 D Quarter in ST GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 455
KIRTLAND, ARTHUR WILLIAM 18
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 416
Death of father
KIRTLAND, THOMAS aged49
GRO Reference: 1891 M Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 368
Jane & Arthur in 1891
Piece 859
Folio 69
Page 12
Jane Kirtland 40 Boarder
Arthur W Kirtland 8 Boarder
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Jane remarried.
Marriages Jun 1891
Kirtland Jane Portsea 2b 930
McNamara James Portsea 2b 930
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Bapt 18 Dec 1850, St Mary the Virgin, Ware
JANE Winter, Parents JOSEPH/ELIZABETH
Father a Carpenter
Possible Burial same Church for Joseph WINTER 05 Nov 1855 age 43
1871 we have;
Elizabeth Winter 54 Widow
Henry Winter 24 Son Masons Lab
Jane Winter 20 Daughter Servant
Owen Winter 18 Son Baker
Elizabeth Winter 7 Granddaughter
All born Ware
1861 she is with her Lambert Aunt
On Anc 1851 the family is under Winters.
Birth Reg;
WINTER, JANE mmn LAMBERT
GRO Reference: 1850 D Quarter in WARE Volume 06 Page 620
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Sorry I have gone off topic chasing the Winters.
If Sarah, Aunt of Jane 1861 Census, is correct in hear dob she was bapt 22 Jan 1806 Ware to THOMAS/JANE.
So Elizabeth Lambert bapt 16 Jul 1815 same Church to Thomas/Jane
Father a Bargeman
Possible Marriage 15 Nov 1799 Hertford to Jane DENNIS
Looks like as they bapt Ware; + 2 above
Ann 1800
Sarah 1803 cant see burial
Mary Ann 1808
Thomas L buried 01 Sep 1844 age 63
Jane L buried 02 May 1850 age 73
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Thomas is easy to find 1851/1861 with his parents JOHN/ANN in Thame
John KIRTLAND married Ann COLLINS 16 Jun. 1834 Thame, Oxfordshire
1841 in Thame;
Jno Kirtland 30 Shoemaker
Ann Kirtland 25
Lucy Kirtland 7
Samuel Kirtland 5
John Kirtland 3
William Kirtland 1
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Thanks for your replies.
Certainly a can of worms afic.
I will try and sort something out asap.
# lots of promising echos
Uncle said something about Cord wainer
Also
Myggf or gggf?
William Kirtland was born at Charlton on Ottmoor about 1806, the child of Samuel and Ann. He was married to Sophia Yates 24 March 1834 at Thame by T. T Lee.
It seemed that William could write well where as Sophia signed the register with a X.
They had seven children together.
One of their daughters, Mary, married into the Seagrave or Seagrove family. They had a shop on or near the Windsor Road at Sough
William died in 1892 having lived a long life of 86 years.
I was under the impression that John K was a farmer and may have made a mistake somewhere.