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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: UKgirl on Thursday 01 May 25 11:43 BST (UK)
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Gosh - born in 1909 and still alive!
At 115 years old (plus 253 days), a British woman has become the oldest person in the world.
1909 Ethel May Collins born in Shipton Bellinger (R.D. Andover)
1933 Ethel M Collins married Norman Caterham
1976 Norman Caterham died
And it is good to read that dear Ethel seems to have had an interesting life:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14666931/Ethel-Surrey-worlds-oldest-person-Brazil.html
UKgirl
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My Goodness that's amazing she would have certainly seen a few changes through the years
Rosie
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My mother was born in 1909 but she died in 1999.
I still miss her :'(
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I was commenting on my mother having the same year of birth.
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My mother in law lived to be 105.
Such a poor family ,not in love and discipline but material things like food!
She out argued a Jehovah’s Witness who called at the door.
They begged to be let out !
She knew The Bible through and through .
A very kind gentle woman but ruled her children with a rod of iron.
They did well .
Were all good parents themselves .
Viktoria.
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My Goodness that's amazing she would have certainly seen a few changes through the years
Rosie
2 world wars, 24 English prime ministers, 2 pandemics, the Hollywood Golden Age (start to finish), the invention of the modern computer & the world-wide web… not to mention all the medical advances! Absolutely incredible.
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I saw this in our Australian news (ABC) - love her secret about longevity "never arguing with anyone. I listen and I do what I like!"
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My Goodness that's amazing she would have certainly seen a few changes through the years
Rosie
2 world wars, 24 English prime ministers, 2 pandemics, the Hollywood Golden Age (start to finish), the invention of the modern computer & the world-wide web… not to mention all the medical advances! Absolutely incredible.
Also six monarchs!
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I did a double-take when I saw 111 year-old Ada Roe mentioned in the article - Ada Roe was my Grandma! Different one though. And Gadget, my Dad was born in July, 1909 and died in 2004. I really thought he'd make his century.
Ethel looks very good for her age. No wonder they call these wonderful people the Greatest Generation.
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This means Ethel was a young adult in 1929, which is already knocking on 100 years ago now and was 20 when the stock market crashed, and she is still around to remember it.
She may vaguelly remember the news about the Titanic sinking but would only have been 3. I knew someone born in 1907 who died about 15 years ago and she remembered the Titanic sinking.
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Great if you want to live that long but idea of living another thirty two years fills me with horror.
I did have a second cousin who lived one hundred and ten years and two months, born the 3rd March 1901, died the 3rd May 2011.
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As we are told repeatedly, that we have an aging population, what do you all suggest, to be simple method to monitor this nationally, the average/mean age of deaths and how many exceed age 100.
Sadly, FreeBMD are not able to cover these parameters and census records are slow to emerge and are of limited use.
Many thanks.
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In the past they used to assume very old people were centenarians and they either didn't check records or couldn't check records. Annie Garvey who was from County Armagh, Ireland but lived most of her life in Liverpool was recorded as being 107 when she died in 1914. She appears to have been born in Creggan Upper/Crossmaglen, Armagh in 1822 so she would have been about 92 years old when she died:-
https://merseysidebiographypages.weebly.com/annie-garvey.html
C
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As a matter of routine, the Office of National Statistics produces life tables.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/bulletins/nationallifetablesunitedkingdom/2020to2022
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ERATO,
many thanks for this useful link. I now realise that this is why we employ statisicians!
What surprised me is the rapidity and volatility of all the different factors in measuring recent changes both in the age and also the sex differences.
'Doubled since 2002' even with Covid but the post WWI population birth rate bulge will be an temporary influence but with the overall growth in total population the centenarians will probably increase.
This page gets closer to my original simplistic query 'How many people exceed age 100'.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/ageing/bulletins/estimatesoftheveryoldincludingcentenarians/2002to2022
MAIN POINTS:
In 2022 the estimated population of England and Wales aged 90 years and over grew by 2.1% compared with 2021; this was its highest ever total (550,835 people).
The number of centenarians has more than doubled since 2002, with an estimated 15,120 centenarians living in England and Wales in 2022.
The large post-First World War birth cohort, aged 102 years in 2022, still affected the number of centenarians in England and Wales and accounted for 17.0% of those aged 100 years and over.
The sex ratio among centenarians in England and Wales has almost halved in the last 20 years, from 8.2 women to every man aged 100 years and over in 2002, to 4.5 women to every man in 2022.
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In the past they used to assume very old people were centenarians and they either didn't check records or couldn't check records. Annie Garvey who was from County Armagh, Ireland but lived most of her life in Liverpool was recorded as being 107 when she died in 1914. She appears to have been born in Creggan Upper/Crossmaglen, Armagh in 1822 so she would have been about 92 years old when she died:-
https://merseysidebiographypages.weebly.com/annie-garvey.html
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BLUE70
many thanks for this clear illustration of why we can't always trust statistics!
And thanks for including the excellent reference to Annie GARVEY based upon the research of https://www.johngrenham.com
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In the past they used to assume very old people were centenarians and they either didn't check records or couldn't check records. Annie Garvey who was from County Armagh, Ireland but lived most of her life in Liverpool was recorded as being 107 when she died in 1914. She appears to have been born in Creggan Upper/Crossmaglen, Armagh in 1822 so she would have been about 92 years old when she died:-
https://merseysidebiographypages.weebly.com/annie-garvey.html
C
BLUE70
many thanks for this clear illustration of why we can't always trust statistics!
And thanks for including the excellent reference to Annie GARVEY based upon the research of https://www.johngrenham.com
Thanks, I like to 'name-drop' resources that might be useful to other researchers and to give the resources credit. Irish research can be tricky so anything useful needs to be promoted. There's more about Annie Garvey online if anyone wants to read more about her including newspaper articles but I've tried to focus more on records than what was said about her. I think I'm probably the first researcher to identify her baptism and her family's records in Armagh.
C
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Several of my Suffolk ancestors allegedly broke the 100 year barrier. One, Elizabeth Packard, died in 1842 aged 102, her maiden name was Martin or Markin, and I found a baptism in 1744 which may be her, thus making her only 98 at the time she died.
I have another ancestor Anne Howard, previously Teager, unknown maiden surname, who died in 1827, and was said to be aged 101, she had her first child in 1752. As said I am not sure of her maiden name but she supposedly wed Edward Teager in about 1750 in the Framlingham/Peasenhall area of Suffolk. Edward died in 1758 and she remarried 9 years later, and likely had more children up to about 1774.
I have one who died in Norwich in 1828 said to be 97. Elizabeth Helsdon, nee Harbord/Herbert. I found through other records (a poor law record and mention in a family friend's will) that she was the daughter of Benjamin and Mary Harbord. I did find an Elizabeth Halbert baptised in 1728 in Norwich, child of Benjamin and Mary. My Eliz wed in 1752 and had children up to 1773.
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My Goodness that's amazing she would have certainly seen a few changes through the years
Rosie
2 world wars, 24 English prime ministers, 2 pandemics, the Hollywood Golden Age (start to finish), the invention of the modern computer & the world-wide web… not to mention all the medical advances! Absolutely incredible.
It would be strange for most people who knew someone of a similar era to think they would have still have been alive up 'til today, very unusual!!
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24 English prime ministers
Hmmm. That set me thinking.
In fact, of the last 24 Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom, only 16 have been English.
ENGLISH
Asquith 1908-1916
Attlee 1945-1951
Baldwin 1923-1924, 1924-1929, 1935-1937
Callaghan 1976-1979 – of Irish extraction
Chamberlain 1937-1940
Churchill 1940-1945, 1951-1955 – who was half American
Eden 1955-1957
Heath 1970-1974
Johnson 2019-2022
Major 1990-1997
May 2016-2019
Thatcher 1979-1990
Starmer 2024-
Sunak 2022-2024 – of Indian extraction
Truss 2022 -2022
Wilson 1964-1970, 1974-1976
WELSH
Lloyd George 1916-1922
SCOTTISH
Blair 1997-2007
Bonar Law 1922-1923
Brown 2007-2010
Cameron 2010-2016 – who is part Welsh
Douglas-Home 1963-1964
MacDonald 1924-1924, 1929-1935
Macmillan 1957-1963 - who was half American
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I have a generation with 13 siblings with a combined lifespan of 1050 years. It's probably more remarkable considering two died in their 30's & one in their 50's though none made it to 100.