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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cork => Topic started by: Gortinanima on Tuesday 29 April 25 19:20 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find the origins of two Cork brothers who can be found in Dublin in the 1901 census as young men - Michael Donovan and his younger brother John Donovan.
1901 census
Residents of 45 in Ballsbridge Terrace (Part of) (Pembroke West, Dublin)
James McDonnell head RC 43 horse keeper born Carlow town
Boarders
Michael Donovan RC 20 Clerk born Co Cork
John Donovan RC 14 Clerk born Co Cork
Their father was a Michael Donovan farmer who was deceased by 1908 (marriage of Michael Donovan junior 1908 stated that his father was deceased).
The 1908 marriage (Church) certificate states that Michael Donovan senior was from the Durrus area in Cork.
Family tradition also mentions Schull (on the other side of the local mountain from Durrus).
I have the family tree traced from these two brothers so really want to find the family in Cork so any help would be appreciated.
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1901 census
Residents of 45 in Ballsbridge Terrace (Part of) (Pembroke West, Dublin)
James McDonnell head RC 43 horse keeper born Carlow town
Boarders
Michael Donovan RC 20 Clerk born Co Cork
John Donovan RC 14 Clerk born Co Cork
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Ballsbridge_Terrace__Part_of_/1286917/
Their father was a Michael Donovan farmer who was deceased by 1908 (marriage of Michael Donovan junior 1908 stated that his father was deceased).
The 1908 marriage certificate states that Michael Donovan senior was from the Durrus area in Cork.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10020/5644878.pdf
The civil marriage registration does say father is deceased but not where he was from.
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Michael and wife in 1911- his brother John in household-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Crescent/9992/
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From the 1911 census in reply #2-
Margaret Mave Donovan born 9 December 1910 at Scart, Roscrea. MMN Murnane
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1910/01549/1626561.pdf
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Donovan/Motherway marriage 1908 (reply #1)
Children born to these parents-
Hannah Josephine 1911
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1911/01511/1613755.pdf
James 1915
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/view/?record_id=f7f3a11826-6566
Mary Helena 1916
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1916/01337/1551822.pdf
Patrick Joseph 1919
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1919/01249/1518968.pdf
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Well, if Michael was 20 on the 1901 census and 30 on the 1911, then he was born ca. 1880, not 1882 as on the family tree.
So here is a good candidate.
Michael Donovan, son of Michael Donovan and Jane Donovan, bapt. Durrus 7/11/1880.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634871?locale=en#page/134/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634871?locale=en#page/134/mode/1up)
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Civil registration of same birth - DOB 12/11/1880 (a clear case of premature baptism).
Durrus registration district.
Bantry SRD.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1880/02846/2042930.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1880/02846/2042930.pdf)
Father, Michael, a shopkeeper. Which may or may not be inconsistent with being a farmer (one could be both).
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Marriage of Michael Donovan and Jane Donovan in 1872. And behold, Michael is now a farmer!
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11302/8146449.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11302/8146449.pdf)
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Address where Michael was born in 1880 was Ahakista, a village
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahakista (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahakista)
The village is located in the townland of Reenacappul
https://www.townlands.ie/cork/west-carbery-west-division/kilcrohane/glanlough/reenacappul/ (https://www.townlands.ie/cork/west-carbery-west-division/kilcrohane/glanlough/reenacappul/)
It is adjacent to several other townlands.
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Other children born to Michael and Jane
- Daniel, March 1875
- Bridget, Jan 1877
- Mary, Oct 1878
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Civil registration for Daniel in 1875. Father now a publican!
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1875/03095/2134804.pdf (https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1875/03095/2134804.pdf)
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Well, if Michael was 20 on the 1901 census and 30 on the 1911, then he was born ca. 1880, not 1882 as on the family tree.
So here is a good candidate.
Michael Donovan, son of Michael Donovan and Jane Donovan, bapt. Durrus 7/11/1880.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634871?locale=en#page/134/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634871?locale=en#page/134/mode/1up)
I had considered this family but no son John Donovan recorded in the civil registration records.
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Well, if Michael was 20 on the 1901 census and 30 on the 1911, then he was born ca. 1880, not 1882 as on the family tree.
So here is a good candidate.
Michael Donovan, son of Michael Donovan and Jane Donovan, bapt. Durrus 7/11/1880.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634871?locale=en#page/134/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634871?locale=en#page/134/mode/1up)
I had considered this family but no son John Donovan recorded in the civil registration records.
Well, where is Michael's (the father's) death in the civil registration records?
How many Michael Donovans, son of Michael Donovan options do you have to pick and choose from, born in Durrus ca. 1880?
Hint - precisely one?
As for not finding John's birth, multiple possibilities.
- Never registered.
- Registered, but misindexed/mistranscribed.
- They had moved. No sign of any of family in the area in 1901 census.
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The civil marriage registration does say father is deceased but not where he was from.
I believe OP was referring to the parish register entry for the marriage
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Well, if Michael was 20 on the 1901 census and 30 on the 1911, then he was born ca. 1880, not 1882 as on the family tree.
So here is a good candidate.
Michael Donovan, son of Michael Donovan and Jane Donovan, bapt. Durrus 7/11/1880.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634871?locale=en#page/134/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634871?locale=en#page/134/mode/1up)
I had considered this family but no son John Donovan recorded in the civil registration records.
Well, where is Michael's (the father's) death in the civil registration records?
How many Michael Donovans, son of Michael Donovan options do you have to pick and choose from, born in Durrus ca. 1880?
Hint - precisely one?
As for not finding John's birth, multiple possibilities.
- Never registered.
- Registered, but misindexed/mistranscribed.
- They had moved. No sign of any of family in the area in 1901 census.
All good points.
Thank-you for your input much appreciated.