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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Bellas girl on Monday 28 April 25 19:04 BST (UK)
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Hello there.
I am hoping that one of you lovely people can help me, or point me in the right direction.
I have just had a hint from a genealogy site, that my 3 x great grandfather, Darby McAuliffe was transported as a prisoner, arriving 24 December 1835.
He is the right age to be “mine”
I can’t help with the name of the Vessel he sailed on, or what port he arrived at.
Any help, information will be gratefully received
JeannieR
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Believe it was the ship Hive
https://www.freesettlerorfelon.com/convict_ship_hive_1835.htm
If you have access to Ancestry then this link.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60920/images/44967_6129999_0049-00067?rc=&queryId=a2d18574-f230-4408-bd27-4c7369af87fb&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Udx10861&_phstart=successSource&pId=162876
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I have just had a hint from a genealogy site, that my 3 x great grandfather, Darby McAuliffe was transported as a prisoner, arriving 24 December 1835.
He is the right age to be “mine”
JeannieR
Hello ... is this the same "Darby McAULIFFE" mentioned in this earlier thread ??
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799196.0
Cannot find a New Zealand connection relating to this man.
Did the "hint" you received on the other genealogy site maybe mention "transportation to Australia" ??
~ Lu
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Thank you both,
For your swift reply. I pretty certain that the gentleman arriving on “ The Hive” is my ancestor. Oh dear, wonder what he did, to be sentenced to life in prison.
Yes, it was me who asked about him a few years ago. Since then thanks to rootsireland, have found his birth in 1808.
Again, Many Thanks
JeannieR
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Hello
"softly softly's" Reply #1 is good advice ... especially if you connect to this information provided at ancestry.com.
There are many records there relating to the convict Darby McAULIFFE - (apparently he was convicted of "sheep stealing").
It may be a good idea to have your thread moved to the Australia board ... contact a Moderator who will be able to assist you in doing that. ;)
~ Lu
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Hi JeannieR,
I’ll move this topic to the Australia Board where there are lots of experts to help with convict ancestors.
Regard,
Spades
Moderator
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Darby was convicted in Kerry.
Looks like his offence there was shop-stealing. Married with 2 chn. A gardener. Roman Catholic.
Whilst serving his NSW sentence, he was convicted of sheep-stealing the carcase of which animal was discovered and it was the property of Henry HALL of Limestone Plains, the district's first resident landholder.
For this he went to Norfolk Island and from there to Tasmania per "Lady Franklin"
He gained Conditional Pardon in 1848
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/36255444?searchTerm=%22Darby%20McAuliffe%22~3
He left for Melbourne. See Departures and his convict record here.
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/
Courtesy Google
The term "Limestone Plains" in the context of NSW and convicts refers to the geographic area, particularly around the Canberra region, which was explored and settled by both convicts and free settlers.Early European settlement, including the establishment of pastoral stations, relied heavily on convict labor for tasks like sheep and cattle management.
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A possible sighting in NSW. Bathurst.
A reference to some cottages he occupied. Durham Street Bathurst. 1858
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/64376025
Sue
EDIT to add
1852 Someone stole a horse belonging to him in Bathurst
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62518612
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A baptismal certificate from an online tree gives his parents as Jeremiah and Johanna (nee BUCKLEY)
In this item, Darby is involved in a theft in Bathurst. He did not commit the crime, but one wonders whether he and the woman perpetrator, Ann HARRIS were in cahoots. October 1853.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62046680
Ann HARRIS had arrived per Eliza in 1849 and was free at the time of the crime. She was tried and committed to 6 months HL at Bathurst Gaol.
The property occupied by Darby in Durham St., Bathurst was sold in 1857.
A lot of household furniture also. I take it to read the furniture and goods were his.
The identity of the owner is not revealed.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62050825
Sue
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Hi Sparrett,
I just thought I’d pop in to see if Jeannie R had had any replies and WOW!
Great detective work, Sue 8) 8) :)
Regards,
Spades
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Darby is a name used for Jeremiah in Ireland.
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This is all fantastic news. Thank you all so much.
I put him “on hold “ for a while. It is amazing how new facts become available, especially in Ireland. Derby son married in England in 1861. His first daughter was called Johanna, so I think this puts meat on the bones, so to speak.
Thank you all again for your help. I know what I shall be doing, for the rest of the day !! My computer is going to take a hammering .
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Yet again, thank you.
I had heard that Darby / Jeremiah were often the same. Does cause confusion!
Sue , I don’t know what to say, that is all terrific work. I am now so excited, can’t wait to delve into your information.
I started doing the Family Tree 20+ years ago, for my eleven grandchildren. Now I have five great grandchildren! So I had better get on with it whilst I am fit, and my mind working….
Thank You all again
JeannieR
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Darby is a name used for Jeremiah in Ireland.
This is correct and I was about to enter this.
The other point that you may be able to take a very tentative finding from is that Aussie Darby McAuliffe being the son, reported by Sparrett of Jeremiah and Joanna may be the third son of Jeremiah & Joanna with the two earlier sons named for the father's father and mother's father
Using Irish naming patterns here (from Mrs Google):
"Traditional Irish naming patterns involve naming children after close relatives based on their birth order and gender. For example, the first son would be named after his father's father, while the first daughter would be named after her mother's mother. This practice was prevalent in Ireland, especially from the late 18th century to the middle of the 20th century.
Elaboration:
First Son: Named after the father's father (paternal grandfather).
Second Son: Named after the mother's father (maternal grandfather).
Third Son: Named after the father.
First Daughter: Named after the mother's mother (maternal grandmother).
Second Daughter: Named after the father's mother (paternal grandmother).
Subsequent Children: The pattern continued with the fourth son named after the father's oldest brother and so on, with similar patterns for daughters.
Family History: This pattern can be a valuable tool for family history research, helping to identify relatives and their names.
Modern Usage: While traditional naming patterns are less common today, some families still adhere to them or use variations.
Cultural Significance: The practice reflects the importance of family history and honoring ancestors in Irish culture."
The only warnings I have about using this naming pattern as any more than a rough guide is that the Irish are less likely than the Scots who also have a naming pattern to follow this slavishly.
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Darby McAuliffe aka Jeremiah HANLAN.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62052852?searchTerm="Jeremiah Hanlan Darby M'AULIFF" (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/62052852?searchTerm="Jeremiah Hanlan Darby M'AULIFF")
Jeremiah HANLAN 80yrs d. 10 March 1883, Jacksons Swamp, BATHURST, NSW. #5777/1883
https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/deaths (https://familyhistory.bdm.nsw.gov.au/lifelink/familyhistory/search/deaths)
There are several mentions about him on TROVE.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper)
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I am now having some doubts that the man departing Tasmania for Melbourne whose record of this can be seen here https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/
is the same as in Bathurst.
The Tasmanian departure date is 11th March 1852 and the first Bathurst sighting predates that, being March 9th 1852 when the horse was stolen from him.
Apart from that, this digitized record of Coastal passenger Tasmanian departure on Ancestry shows his name as Danby McANLIFFE aged 40, Irish birth and a labourer.
Also bear in mind,there is nothing to definitely conclude the Bathurst man is your convict. Only the name.
This record (Prisoner Description Book) gives his year of birth as 1812
https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/1783/images/32246_223272-00432?usePUB=true&_phsrc=&_phstart=successSource&pId=171679
Darby Mc Cauliffe
Death Date 1849
Death Place Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Date 1849
Registration Place Sydney, Australia
Volume Number V1849493 117
Recorded as aged 50 on NSW bmd. LA is Roman Catholic St James
Conditional Pardon was 1848, so he was able to leave Tasmania if he wished.
Passenger Departure image.
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Hi Sparrett,
I read the name in that passenger document as 'Danby MCAULIFF'. Just sayin'. The 'c' and the 'A' are different.
Best wishes,
Spades