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Hi everyone,
I'm looking for the death registration for a "Sarah Moore" (nee Bradley(?)), wife of Charles Moore of Preston Bagot. There appears to be a burial for a Sarah Moore aged 33 on the 4 Jan 1842 in Preston Bagot, which is a similar age given in the 1841 census (30). Given the small population, it's most likely this is the Sarah Moore I'm after but I'm struggling to find the death on the GRO online indexes. ???
I don't really know anything about her other than she may have married Charles at Aston in 1827, hence the maiden name of Bradley. I'd love to push this line back further but lack evidence.
If it's a help her husband Charles appears to have died in 1850, an "Eliza Carpenter" is present at the death.
Many thanks
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Hi everyone,
I'm looking for the death registration for a "Sarah Moore" (nee Bradley(?)), wife of Charles Moore of Preston Bagot. There appears to be a burial for a Sarah Moore aged 33 on the 4 Jan 1842 in Preston Bagot, which is a similar age given in the 1841 census (30). Given the small population, it's most likely this is the Sarah Moore I'm after but I'm struggling to find the death on the GRO online indexes. ???
Many thanks
Sarah Moore, that you mention Buried at Preston Bagot, Warwickshire, the Burial Register 1842 says her Abode was Henley in Arden, Buried Jan'y 4th, Age 33.
But Henley in Arden did not come under Stratford on Avon Registration District until 1957. - Regarding the Registration District this may be incorrect? See my next reply.
Mark
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Where are the 2 youngest children in 1851 - Jane b 1838 & Charles b 1840
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Looking at the 1841 Census, it seems Henley in Arden was classed as a Hamlet under Wootton Wawen?
Wootton Wawen - Stratford Registration District 1837 to 1985
Even though Henley in Arden appeared to have been a Hamlet earlier in 1841, I was told as a boy that there was a Hospital at Henley in Arden, in old times, I think the building was a Public House / Inn?
My late Grandad pointed out the building on the main High Street, because he was a Gardener at the County Hospital Hatton, renamed Central Hospital, Hatton.
It seems Henley in Arden had a few private establishments and Asylums
https://www.ourwarwickshire.org.uk/content/article/private-lunatic-asylums
Mark
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Not saying these were related, but there were some Moore at Henley in Arden ...
Aris's Birmingham Gazette, 23rd December 1816
Died.
On Sunday, Mrs. Moore, wife of Mr. Peter Moore, of Henley in Arden.
Aris's Birmingham Gazette, 17th May 1819
To Printers, Bookbinders, Stationers, &c.&c.
To be disposed of, the Piloting Press, Founts of Letter, and Stock in Trade in general of Mr William Moore, late of Henley in Arden in the County of Warwick, deceased.
It is presumed the above would prove an advantageous Situation for any ...
For Particulars apply (if by Letter, Post paid), to Mr Peter Moore, of Henley in Arden.
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Where are the 2 youngest children in 1851 - Jane b 1838 & Charles b 1840
Charles is buried 6 Sept 1841. His entry is 3 above Sarah Moore's
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And a Jane Moore the right age is a servant in Henley in Arden - has that as her birthplace
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Hi everyone thanks for your thoughts so far
I have the same information as Mabel for the last two children
I am a descendant of Ann Moore (b. 1835), she lived until 1932 and was once the oldest person in Henley in Arden. The Stratford Herald interviewed her in 1930: https://www.stratford-herald.com/whats-on/history-the-day-henley-s-oldest-resident-saw-a-man-wanted-9349680/ (https://www.stratford-herald.com/whats-on/history-the-day-henley-s-oldest-resident-saw-a-man-wanted-9349680/)
In the article it states:
"Her father was in his 50s by the time she was born, and although she only mentioned her mother dying when she was young, and that she was orphaned at six, it seems that her father actually died when she was 15."
So this corelates nicely with 1842 burial of Sarah.
If it's helpful the article also mentions:
"Ann Moore was born at Preston Bagot on 6 March 1835; her father Charles worked at Manor Farm as an agricultural labourer. She was one of at least 11 children, not all of whom survived, and by the time she was six, she said she had been orphaned. Ann was then informally adopted by family friends who ran the White Horse Inn in Henley. She started work from a young age as a servant, waiting on the coaches that pulled up at the inn."
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There's a burial for John Moore June 21 1841 age 13, on the opposite page in the burial parish register for Charles and Sarah
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Her funeral is covered in the Stratford upon Avon Herald 26th August 1932.
Death At 97
Mrs Ann Moore, ...
Born (at Preston Bagot on March 6th, 1835), ...
... an orphan when she was 6
Adopted by friends who kept the White Horse Inn
Crowley Murder case, ... The crime was committed at Outhill, ...
... as a girl served a murderer with a beer at the White Horse Inn, Henley in Arden whilst he was fleeing from his crime
A little later Ann Moore returned to Preston Bagot, to live with a Miss Parker, of the Firs. When she married her cousin, Edward Moore, a bootmaker, ... her first years of married life were in a cottage at Holywell, Shrewley. ... three sons and one daughter born ... Later her husband set up in business in Henley, at the Red House, where the family resided for 18 years. Next they lived in the house that is now the office of the county divisional surveyor, but shortly removed to the house next door to the rectory, living there for 15 or 16 years. Finally, in 1914, they moved to No. 69, High-street. Two years later Mr Moore died at the ripe age of 83, and since then Mrs Moore has lived under the care of her son and and daughter-in-law, Mr and Mrs Frank Moore.
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The Funeral.
Mourners, named and their relationship, or their name and the place they come from.
Just some small bits of the whole column (top of the page to the bottom).
Mark
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Her funeral is covered in the Stratford upon Avon Herald 26th August 1932.
Death At 97
Mrs Ann Moore, ...
Born (at Preston Bagot on March 6th, 1835), ...
... an orphan when she was 6
Adopted by friends who kept the White Horse Inn
Crowley Murder case, ... The crime was committed at Outhill, ...
... as a girl served a murderer with a beer at the White Horse Inn, Henley in Arden whilst he was fleeing from his crime
A little later Ann Moore returned to Preston Bagot, to live with a Miss Parker, of the Firs. When she married her cousin, Edward Moore, a bootmaker, ... her first years of married life were in a cottage at Holywell, Shrewley. ... three sons and one daughter born ... Later her husband set up in business in Henley, at the Red House, where the family resided for 18 years. Next they lived in the house that is now the office of the county divisional surveyor, but shortly removed to the house next door to the rectory, living there for 15 or 16 years. Finally, in 1914, they moved to No. 69, High-street. Two years later Mr Moore died at the ripe age of 83, and since then Mrs Moore has lived under the care of her son and and daughter-in-law, Mr and Mrs Frank Moore.
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The Funeral.
Mourners, named and their relationship, or their name and the place they come from.
Just some small bits of the whole column (top of the page to the bottom).
Mark
Hi Mark... thanks for this. What has thrown me is that they were cousins, so I think I've also gone wrong somewhere on my family tree. If Ann and Edward were cousins, then their dads were brothers and they share the same parents? ...
Edward's father is Thomas Moore .. birthplace Rowington c. 1810... looking at Rowington PR, there's no baptism for a Thomas at that time, nearest I can find is baptism at Knowle 24 Apr 1810 (about 6 miles from Rowington).
Ann's father is Charles Moore.. birthplace Warwickshire (1841 census), assumed he was the baptism at Preston Bagot 17 Nov 1786. A 24 year age gap seems unlikely...
Raises more questions that answers.
I'm also starting to think Sarah Moore's death wasn't registered, as I can't find anything even remotely similar.
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This looks like the Marriage Certificate:-
1865. Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Leamington Priors in the County of Warwick.
October 24th 1865
Edward Moore, 28 years, Bachelor, Shoemaker, Residence, Clemens Street, Father: Thomas Moore, Labourer.
Ann Moore, 30 years, Spinster, - , Residence, Queen Street, Father: Charles Moore, Labourer.
After Banns.
Both signed
In the Presence of us, John Hob[ ? ] ; Sarah Ann Euston
Added a snippet regarding marriage.
Added witness signatures so that you can determine John Ho ...
I wonder if the witnesses were relatives?
Shrewley is between Claverdon and Hatton Warwickshire, fond memories of my motorcycling days all around there.
Claverdon is on the road about mid-way between Warwick and Henley in Arden.
Preston Green is between Henley in Arden and Claverdon and Preston Bagot, is near Preston Green.
Mark
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Had a look at Thomas, Edward's father; from the births and checking GRO, MMN Joyner, have found
Thomas Moore married Elizabeth Joyner 20 Jul 1835 St. Martin, Birmingham
mar wits. Robert Powell, Elizabeth Joyner
1841 in Rowington
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01trj/
and a couple of doors above is a Sarah Moore, age 60 wid. crossed out in occupation col., with another Edward Moore; might be worth looking at this Moore family too.
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In 1861, part of the same Moore family are next door to Thomas Moore, son Edward shoemaker
Rowington
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01trk/
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The married couple in 1871, are also at Holywell, Rowington.
Holywell, stated in the newpaper
Edward Moore, Head, Mar, 34, Shoe Maker, Warwickshire, Rowington.
Ann Moore, Wife, Mar, 35, Shoe Maker Wife, Preston Bagot.
Eliza J Moore, 5, Daur, children all born Rowington
Thomas H Moore, 3, Son,
Frank Moore, 1, Son,
William Moore, 1 mo,
Mark
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Aris's Birmingham Gazette, 2nd September 1793
On Friday, at Knowle, Mr. Edward Moore, of Rowington, to Miss Chadburne, of Baker's Lane.
Repeated a week later, with Chadborn spelling ...
At Knowle, Mr. Edward Moore, of Rowington, to Miss Chadborn, of Baker's Lane.
Coventry Standard, 03rd October 1803
Refers to the Groom as Adjutant Pring.
Norfolk Chronicle, 15th October 1803
Mr. James Pring, Gent, of the Warwickshire second Battalion of Militia, to Miss Moore, of Rowington.
Aris's Birmingham Gazette, 21st January 1805
ALL Persons who have any Demand on the Estate or Effects of the late Mr. THOMAS MOORE; of Rowington, Farmer, deceased, are requested to send an Account thereof, immediately to Mrs. Elizabeth Moore of Rowington aforesaid, his Widow and Administratrix ; and all Persons indebted to the Estate of the said Thomas Moore, deceased, are requested to pay their Debts to the said Mrs. Elizabeth Moore.
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There was an Administration, Sworn in the Court of Worcester 14th January 1805
Extract from Image (attached): The National Archives Kew, Inland Revenue Series, Catalogue Ref: IR 26/422/368
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7204638
Up to £600
That is a good sum of money for 1805 !
ADDED: According to the IR 27 Index (TNA, on f m p) no page or folio number. No.43, 1805 Thomas Moore, Rowington, Warwick, was listed, so it looks like his Widow was going to be liable to pay a Tax due to his Death or Death Duty.
F m p claim the Worcester Consistory Court, handled the case.
The Archive that holds microfilm of these records seems to be 'The Hive' Archive at Worcester, so you may be able to get paper print/s of the original Admon file, for a fee & postage. Detail varies in these records.
The Hive,
Sawmill Walk,
The Butts,
Worcester, WR1 3PD
https://www.thehiveworcester.org/
Next Closure - Monday, 5th May.
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Leamington Spa Courier, 23rd December 1854
The Christmas Show of Meat.
... ; two superior long-woolled lambs (eight months old), bred and fed by Mr. E. Moore, of Rowington, weighing nearly 20lbs. a-quarter ; ...
Leicester Journal, 10th July 1857
Leicester Chronicle, 11th July 1857
Leicester Mercury, 11th July 1857
On the 30th ult, at Smisby, by the Rev. M. Vavasour, Mr Edwin Moore, of Rowington, to Catherine, eldest daughter of the late Mr Husband, of Jamaica.
Coventry Standard, 12th April 1867
On the 2nd inst., at Nuneaton Church (by the Canon Savage, vicar), Mr. John Moore, of Rowington, near Warwick, to Jane, youngest daughter of Mr. John Ellis, of Nuneaton.
Leamington Spa Courier, 6th June 1868
Caution to Parents.—Mr Joseph Bolton, registrar of births and deaths for the Budbrook district, summoned Edward Moore, of Rowington, for neglecting to have his infant child vaccinated within a specified time as required by Act of Parliament.—Defendant pleaded guilty, but stated that his private medical attendant, Mr Acre, of Henley in Arden, advised him not to have it done until the weather got warmer. ...
Leamington Spa Courier, 1st April 1910
DISTRICT NEWS.
... ; Miss S. Eales (of Kingswood), 174 ; sealed number prize, Miss Millicent Moore (of Rowington), 162 ; ...
A presentation was made to Miss Moore, the well-known and much esteemed post mistress, who is leaving the district on the occasion of her marriage, shortly to take place. ...
The Vicar ... said that Miss Moore came from Darlington to Rowington 17 years ago, to assist Mrs Gould in the post-office.
Newspaper does not say if the Postmistress was related or not, to the Moore Family of Rowington.
Mark
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Had a look at Thomas, Edward's father; from the births and checking GRO, MMN Joyner, have found
Thomas Moore married Elizabeth Joyner 20 Jul 1835 St. Martin, Birmingham
mar wits. Robert Powell, Elizabeth Joyner
1841 in Rowington
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01trj/
and a couple of doors above is a Sarah Moore, age 60 wid. crossed out in occupation col., with another Edward Moore; might be worth looking at this Moore family too.
Hi willsy
Joyner is what I have for Edward too - I have a baptism for Elizabeth Joyner 16 Aug 1812 in Hatton. Census records indicate she was born in Shrewley. Parents are Thomas Joyner and Mary Halford (I haven't looked into these yet).
Sarah Moore would be Thomas' mum. MMN Chadbourne (or similar as mentioned below)
Awesome work BushInn.. I hadn't got as far back as Thomas M of the 1700s, I can see a marriage at Rowington for Thomas Moore and Elizabeth Lewis (of Lapworth) in 1763. Inflation calculator says £600 in 1805 is around £44,000 in today's money!
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Still no idea how Edward and Ann were cousins but I made a mistake with Sarah Moore (Chadborne), as I'd confused her death with that of Sarah Moore (Draper) of Rowington. Adjusted death to Jan 1834, Knowle, birth c. 1775.
Can't find anymore on the Chadbornes. One record above Sarah's marriage record at Knowle is an Elizabeth Chadborne who married "Theophilus Richards" of Birmingham on 3 Apr 1793. Thought I'd find more based on the unusual name but haven't been able to work anything back yet.
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Other Children Baptised of Charles & Sarah Moore, Labourer.
1840 Charles Moore, abode Preston Bagot. Born 11th June 1840.
1838 Jane Moore, abode Preston Bagot. Bapt. 23rd October.
1836 Mary Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. at Preston Bagot, 18th December.
1835 Anne Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 13th March.
1834 Sarah Moore, abode Rowington, at Rowington, 19th May.
1832 Elizabeth Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt 23rd February.
1831 George Moore, Preston Bagot, Bapt. 9th January.
1829 Thomas Moore, Preston Bagot, Bapt. 28th June.
1827 John Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 25th December. Twin Sons.
1827 Charles Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 25th December. Twin Sons.
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1865
This looks like the Marriage Certificate:-
1865. Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Leamington Priors in the County of Warwick.
October 24th 1865
Edward Moore, 28 years, Bachelor, Shoemaker, Residence, Clemens Street, Father: Thomas Moore, Labourer.
Ann Moore, 30 years, Spinster, - , Residence, Queen Street, Father: Charles Moore, Labourer.
After Banns.
Both signed
In the Presence of us, John Hob[ ? ] ; Sarah Ann Euston
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Note: When looking at the GRO Births, there was also a Thomas Moore & Sophia, he was a Miller, having children baptised from c.1838 at Preston Bagot.
Mark
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I can find a Thomas Moore baptised 24th April 1810 at Knowle where the 1793 Marriage was, which ties in with the Census age, but Knowle is not the Birthplace in the Census, which is Rowington?
Mark
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Charles Moore and Family in the 1841 Census. The National Archives HO 107/1124/17
Kite Green (I think it is also called Kyte Green), near Preston Green, Preston Bagot, Warwickshire.
Preston Green to Henley in Arden is less than 2 miles by road.
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Beaudesert is East of Henley in Arden.
1850
It looks like Charles Moore, 63 years, has passed away at Beaudesert, nr Henley in Arden.
Born about 1787.
These downloads don't give the Sub-district, only the Registration District as Stratford upon Avon.
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I'll add this, should you decide to broaden your tree out in the future, in case they might be related, or not.
Shakespeare Birthplace Trust Record Office
ER11/30/5
[Unexecuted] Bond from Phoebe Court, Bridge Town, widow, and Thomas Moore, Preston Bagot, farmer, to Charles Frederick Loggin, S/A, chemist and druggist, in penal sum £400 as collateral security on a mortgage dated 22 May 1852 of 'The Shoulder of Mutton' for £1800 and further mortgage for £200.
1856
Bridge Town, might refer to the Bridgetown part of Stratford upon Avon?
Mark
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Comment
I don't feel Edward Moore can be the common ancestor, to make the couple marrying in 1865, Edward Moore & Ann Moore, a Cousin, marriage. Because of the Birthplace in 1851 Census in Reply #20.
Added: Also Charles Moore is a lot older in the 1841 Census. Reply #21.
Other Children Baptised of Charles & Sarah Moore, Labourer.
1840 Charles Moore, abode Preston Bagot. Born 11th June 1840.
1838 Jane Moore, abode Preston Bagot. Bapt. 23rd October.
1836 Mary Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. at Preston Bagot, 18th December.
1835 Anne Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 13th March.
1834 Sarah Moore, abode Rowington, at Rowington, 19th May.
1832 Elizabeth Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt 23rd February.
1831 George Moore, Preston Bagot, Bapt. 9th January.
1829 Thomas Moore, Preston Bagot, Bapt. 28th June.
1827 John Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 25th December. Twin Sons.
1827 Charles Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 25th December. Twin Sons.
1840 Birth
Registration District: Stratford upon Avon
Born 12th June 1840 at Preston Baggot, Charles Moore, Son of Charles Moore,
The Birth entry says Mother Surname: Moore formerly Bradley,
Registered by Charles Moore, Father, Preston Baggot.
1827, 5th March
Marriage at Aston St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire
Charles Moore & Sarah Bradeley
Present as wits: Thomas Job[?] ; Lydae Shakespeare or Lydia Shakespeare
1827, Banns, Aston St Peter & St Paul
Charles Moore
Sarah Bradeley
Feb 18th
Feb 25th
Mar 1
Mark
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Found an 1847 Thomas Moore, 65 yrs, registered Stratford on Avon and also decided to see if I could find a Preston Bagot burial for this Thomas Moore.
I will leave you, if you wish to see who the Informant was on the Certificate?
Elizabeth Moore, his Wife, may have died in 1842?
Two, Elizabeth Moore, registered in 1842, Stratford on Avon, ages only one year difference:-
Sept Qtr, 55 years.
Dec Qtr, 56 years.
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Starting with what we can establish from Charles Moore in 1841, apparently with your relation Ann Moore, at Kite Green, Preston Bagot ...
1841 Census at Kite Green, Preston Bagot
(Snippet in Reply #21)
Charles Moore, 50, Ag Lab, Y.
Sarah Moore, 30, Y.
And family
Ann Moore, 6, Y. [Your ancestor]
Charles Moore, born very approximately 1791.
In the 1841 Census ages are rounded down to the nearest 5.
1850, Beaudesert, Warwickshire
Charles Moore died Beaudesert, Warwickshire, 63 years, born 1787.
See image Reply # 21
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1841 Census, Preston Bagot
Thomas Moore, 55, Farmer, Y.
Eliz'th Moore, 50, Y.
Sophia Moore, 15, Y.
William Moore, 13, Y.
Three Servants, named.
1807 Preston Bagot, 27th August, by Licence.
Thomas Moore & Elizabeth Anchor
Present as wits: Ann Anchor ; Charles Smith.
(Charles Smith, above marriage is interesting, because a Smith marries a Moore ...
1813 Joseph Smith of Sambourn, Parish of Coughton, Warwickshire married Sarah Moore of Preston Bagot, Present as wit's: Mary Damaris Moore ; George Perks )
1847 Preston Bagot, Burials
Thomas Moore, Preston Bagot, 26th December, 65 years.
Born about 1782
Common Parentage Suggestion?
I will leave you to check that none of the following 1786 and 1782 baptisms were buried, before their respective marriages?
1786 Preston Bagot, Warwickshire
17th November, Charles, Son of John and Martha More.
1782 Preston Bagot, Warwickshire
11th June, Thomas, Son of John and Martha More.
Note: Thomas More, baptism 17th January 1781 at Preston Bagot, with same parents, so possibly a burial quite soon after baptism, unless the baptism was noted twice?
Old Map
From the West
Henley in Arden
Beaudesert
Preston Green & Kite Green (Northward)
Preston Bagot
Holywell
Pinley Green
Mark
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Don't know if this is related at all but there is a will for John Moore, Miller, Preston Bagot 1821
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D157113
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Ok, so here’s what I have..
Edward & Ann
Edward Moore (b. 1837) marries Ann Moore (b.1835) in 1865 in Leamington Priors. A news article in 1932 (Stratford Herald) states that Edward and Ann were cousins.
All census birthplace data for Edward Moore lists Rowington, birth year 1837/38. There’s a baptism in Rowington 27 Aug 1837, father Thomas, mother Elizabeth. Edward is living with his parents in Rowington in the 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses.
All census birthplace data for Ann Moore lists Preston Bagot, birth year 1835/36. There’s a baptism for Ann March 1835 in Preston Bagot, father Charles, mother Sarah. The Stratford Herald interview in 1930 confirms her father was Charles and she was living with a Charles and Sarah in the 1841 census. Her father’s estimated birth year is 1791, mother’s 1811.
Ann’s parents - Charles & Sarah
There’s a baptism for a Charles Moore in Preston Bagot 17 Nov 1786, father John, mother Martha. willsy’s post reveals John’s will that mentions children Charles and Thomas. Charle’s dies 1850, burial Beaudesert.
The only marriage I have has been mentioned, March 1827 Aston, “Sarah Bradeley”. I know nothing about Sarah, other than her estimated birth year, father unknown, mother unknown. Sarah dies 1842, burial Preston Bagot.
Edward’s parents - Thomas & Elizabeth
This is where it gets interesting. When Edward is living with his parents, his father’s estimated birth year is 1811, mother’s 1812/13. Father’s birthplace is Rowington on all censuses. Mother’s is Shrewley or Hatton. There’s a baptism 16 Aug 1812 in Hatton for a “Elizabeth Joyner”, father Thomas Joyner, mother Mary Halford. There’s no marriage record that I could find, but this is what has been in my tree for years. I couldn’t find a baptism in Rowington for Thomas either, nearest I got was a baptism 24 Apr 1810 in Knowle (6 miles away), parent’s Edward and Sarah (Chadborne).
However, Charles had a brother Thomas baptised 11 Jun 1782 Preston Bagot. (There was another Thomas born 1781 but died in infancy). Married an Elizabeth Anchor in 1807 – so there’s an actual marriage cert available here. Children born of this Thomas would make then cousins with Ann. Elizabeth’s age gives a birth around 1791, so would be 46 if Edward is her son. I can’t find a baptism for Edward. They are also living in Preston Bagot not Rowington. Thomas dies 1848, Elizabeth in 1842.
Children I did find:
- Eliza 1815
- Thomas 1817
- Martha 1819
- Sarah 1821
- Sophia 1826
- William 1828
Nothing really matches up with this one, other than the cousin link, so I’m wary of this one.
So really none the wiser I think, although for certain we can say Edward’s parents were a Thomas and Elizabeth and for Ann, her parents were Charles and Sarah. For Charles as well, I’d be happy to say his parents were John and Martha.
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This looks like the Marriage Certificate:-
1865. Marriage solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Leamington Priors in the County of Warwick.
October 24th 1865
Edward Moore, 28 years, Bachelor, Shoemaker, Residence, Clemens Street, Father: Thomas Moore, Labourer.
Ann Moore, 30 years, Spinster, - , Residence, Queen Street, Father: Charles Moore, Labourer.
After Banns.
Both signed
In the Presence of us, John Hob[ ? ] ; Sarah Ann Euston
The married couple in 1871, are also at Holywell, Rowington.
Holywell, stated in the newspaper [Obit. 1932]
Edward Moore, Head, Mar, 34, Shoe Maker, Warwickshire, Rowington.
Ann Moore, Wife, Mar, 35, Shoe Maker Wife, Preston Bagot.
Eliza J Moore, 5, Daur, children all born Rowington
Thomas H Moore, 3, Son,
Frank Moore, 1, Son,
William Moore, 1 mo,
Mark
There is an Edward Moore, Birth Registration District, Warwick, Sept Qtr 1837.
The September Births Quarter 1837 was the very beginning of Birth Registration. The Birth may of occurred months or some time before the 1837 baptism.
My Dictionary says this about a cousin 1. the child of one's aunt or uncle. 2. a relative descended from one of one's common ancestors.
Mark
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Hi
Thomas Moore & Elizabeth Anchor, appear to have had a Son, Thomas Moore, baptised in 1817 ...
1817 Preston Bagot, Baptisms
3rd May, Thomas Son of Thomas and Elizabeth Moore, Preston Bagot, Farmer.
(They even call one child baptised, Martha Moore, likely after the Father's Mother).
1837, 21st Feb'y, Stratford upon Avon, by Licence
Thomas Moore, Bachelor of Preston Bagot and
Sophia Compton, Spinster.
Present as wit:s Joseph Reason ; Eliz. Moore.
1861 Census, Manor House, Preston Bagot.
Thomas Moore, 44, Farmer, Preston Bagot.
Sophia Moore, 44, Farmer's Wife, Stratford upon Avon
Mark
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Two, Elizabeth Moore, registered in 1842, Stratford on Avon, ages only one year difference:-
Sept Qtr, 55 years.
Dec Qtr, 56 years.
The 1842 Deaths look to be:-
Alveston, Warwickshire, is 2.6 miles from Stratford upon Avon
[Worcestershire County C. record]
Alveston, Warwickshire, Burials.
1842 Elizabeth Moore, Alveston, Sept'r 19th, 55 yrs.
The other:-
1842
Elizabeth Moore, Preston Bagot, Nov 21st, 56 yrs.
Probably nee Elizabeth Anchor.
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Other Children Baptised of Charles & Sarah Moore, Labourer.
1840 Charles Moore, abode Preston Bagot. Born 11th June 1840.
1838 Jane Moore, abode Preston Bagot. Bapt. 23rd October.
1836 Mary Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. at Preston Bagot, 18th December.
1835 Anne Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 13th March.
1834 Sarah Moore, abode Rowington, at Rowington, 19th May.
1832 Elizabeth Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt 23rd February.
1831 George Moore, Preston Bagot, Bapt. 9th January.
1829 Thomas Moore, Preston Bagot, Bapt. 28th June.
1827 John Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 25th December. Twin Sons.
1827 Charles Moore, abode Preston Bagot, Bapt. 25th December. Twin Sons.
1840 Birth
Registration District: Stratford upon Avon
Born 12th June 1840 at Preston Baggot, Charles Moore, Son of Charles Moore,
The Birth entry says Mother Surname: Moore formerly Bradley,
Registered by Charles Moore, Father, Preston Baggot.
1827, 5th March
Marriage at Aston St Peter and St Paul, Warwickshire
Charles Moore & Sarah Bradeley
Present as wits: Thomas Job[?] ; Lydae Shakespeare or Lydia Shakespeare
1827, Banns, Aston St Peter & St Paul
Charles Moore
Sarah Bradeley
Feb 18th
Feb 25th
Mar 1
Mark
The above was taken from the actual Register images, so it appears Ann Moore, born 1835 had all those brothers' and sisters'.
Not all of them died and had burials, so a big question in my mind, is where did the other survivors go - your ancestor's other Brothers' and Sisters' ?
Perhaps, in one of the Census for one of them will be a clue, or another Cousin or a relative, or not?
Thomas Moore, Bapt. 1829 Preston Bagot and some Moore Notes on Same Census pages
1851 Preston Bagot
Thomas Moore, Serv, U, 20, Farm Labourer, Preston Bagot.
Same page in 1851
George Moore, Serv, U, 20, Farm Lab, Preston Bagot.
1857, Jan 13th Lapworth Parish Church
Thomas Moore, 27, B'r, Carrier, Preston Bagot, Father: Charles Moore, Labourer.
Juliet Benbrook, 19, Sp,r, Joseph Benbrook, Carrier.
Present: William Smith ; Elizabeth Hartwell
Smith that is a name noticed before.
1861 Rowington
Thomas Moore, Head, Mar, 30, Carrier, War'k Preston Bagot.
Juliet Moore, Wife, Mar, 22, War'k Lapworth.
1871 Preston Bagot
Thomas Moore, Head, 41, Carrier, Preston Baggott.
Juliet Moore, Wife, 32, Lapworth.
1881
Thomas Moore, Head, 51, Carrier & Coal Dealer, born N. K.
Juliet Moore, 42, Wife, born Lapworth.
Clara Levens, Friend, Unm, 15, Assistant, Warwick, Warwickshire.
1891 Preston Bagot
Thomas Moore, Head, 61, Carrier, Preston Bagot.
Juliet Moore, Wife, 52, Lapworth.
Probate 1899
Thomas Moore, of Preston Bagot Carrier granted Birmingham to Juliet Moore, Widow.
£931 6s. 6d. [See Probate Calendar listing for dates]
To see the full document and if a Will or an Admin, they cost £1.50 from the HMCTS Probate Wills at gov.uk
On same page as the above Thomas & Juliet Moore in 1891 ...
Walter Moore and family
Another Thomas Moore (same page) ...
1891 Preston Bagot
Manor House
Thomas Moore, Head, Widower, 73, Farmer, Preston Bagot.
Arthur Maurice Moore, Son, M, 42, Farmer Manager, Preston Bagot.
So this other Thomas Moore occupies the Manor House and looks to be the one who married Sophia Compton at Stratford upon Avon in 1837.
There is a book about Preston Bagot and the Manor House Records?
Mark
Added:
1923 Probate
Probate of Juliet Moore of Preston Bagot, Proved Birmingham to Edmund Johnson draper.
To find out if they were Wills or Admin with the Probate and if so, what they say, costs £1.50 each.
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Went back to Charles and Sarah's children again and had more luck this time I think
Found a Jane Moor c 1838 with an Elizabeth Mottram c 1832 in Staffordshire 1861, both born Henley in Arden
Elizabeth Moore married Henry Mottram 25 Nov 1856, Nuneaton, father Charles Moore farmer
Mar wits. Thomas Moore ? Hurley...Thomas signed the register as did Elizabeth
Some links for you (just the first 3) first one is 1861 census, childrens births all MMN Moore
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01ts4/
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The Jane 1871 I have been looking at is a bit of a mystery
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ts5/
Jane Green c 1838 born Henley in Arden with George Green in Beaudesert; there's some trees but they don't know Jane's surname.
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Went back to Charles and Sarah's children again and had more luck this time I think
Found a Jane Moor c 1838 with an Elizabeth Mottram c 1832 in Staffordshire 1861, both born Henley in Arden
Elizabeth Moore married Henry Mottram 25 Nov 1856, Nuneaton, father Charles Moore farmer
Mar wits. Thomas Moore ? Hurley...Thomas signed the register as did Elizabeth
Some links for you (just the first 3) first one is 1861 census, childrens births all MMN Moore
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01ts4/
That looks a good find Willsy for Elizabeth Moore, the 1856 Nuneaton marriage to Henry Mottram, Builder of Tamworth, says Elizabeth Moore, Servant and residence was "Vicarage" and as you say, her Father: Charles Moore, Farmer.
Married by Rob't Savage, Vicar.
Present as witnesses: Thomas Moore and possibly Mary Hurley ; James Green Parish Clerk.
1851 The Vicarage Nuneaton
Emma Savage, Wife, Mar, 43, St James Parish, London.
Savage family ...
Servants ...
Eliza Moore, Serv, U, 20, Cook, born, Warwickshire, Henley in Arden.
Willsy's 1861 Tamworth Census find for,
Elizabeth Mottram, Wife, Mar, 29,
Jane Moor, Visitor, 23, Condition [blank], both born Warwick'e Henley in Arden.
I find the Census "Visitor" are often related or linked to the extended family.
I have checked the Thomas Latham, Uncle in 1871, but it seems he likely married a Mottram, when I found him with his Mother-in Law in 1851.
1871 Tamworth
Henry Mottram, 37, Staffordshire, Tamworth.
Elizabeth Mottram, 39, Warwickshire, Henley in Arden.
and 5 children.
Thomas Latham, Uncle, 56, Widr, Builder, Warwickshire Austrey.
1851 Census, St Thomas Birmingham, 145 Islington
Thomas Latham, Head, Mar, 36, Bricklayer emp 3 men, born Warwickshire Austrey.
Ann Latham, Wife, Mar, 34, Warwickshire, Birmingham.
Charlotte Mottram, Mother in Law, Widow, 69, Stafford'sh, Burton.
Hannah Latham, Sister, U, 21, House Servant, Austrey.
Henry Mottram, Nephew, U, 9, Scholar, Warwickshire, Birm'm
Mark
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At the funeral of Mrs Ann Moore
One of the mourners was named Mrs Moore (Clifford) a niece,
Clifford was Clifford Chambers, Nr Stratford upon Avon.
In the 1911 Census there was only one Moore couple at Clifford Chambers and Clara C. Moore apparently died in 1944, registered Stratford upon Avon. Also in the 1921 Census.
1911, 3 Orchard Side, Clifford Chambers
George Moore, 53, born Selly Oak, Worcestershire.
Clara Cecilia Moore, 53, born Kidderminster.
1891 St George the Martyr
George Moore, Head, M, 31, Baker, Selly Oak, Worcs.
Clara C. Moore, 35, Kidderminster.
George E. Moore, Son, 5, London, Bromley le Row.
Thomas Moore, Son, 3, London Camberwell.
1883 28th Oct'r, Willenhall Parish by Banns
George Moore, 25, Bach'r, Baker, Stepney, London, Father: George Moore, Labourer.
Clara Cecilia Brown, 26, Sp'r, Hoarstone, John Brown, Gardener.
Present wits: John Morris[?] ; Ellen Shiloock or Shilbock or Philoock or Philbock.
1871 Birmingham St Martin
Eleanor Moore, Head, ? , 55, Warks Birmingham.
George W. Brittain, Son, 29, Carpenter, born Warks Birmingham.
Thomas Moore, Son, 16, Labourer, born Preston Bagot.
Elizabeth Moore, Daur, 14, Scholar, born Preston Bagot.
George Moore, Son, 11, born Worcs Selly Oak.
1861 Northfield, Selly Grove
George Moore, Head, 31, Stoker in Metal Works, born Preston Bagot.
Eleanor Moore, Wife, 45, Warks Birmingham.
Thomas Moore, Son, 6, born Preston Bagot.
Elizabeth Moore, Daur, 4, born Preston Bagot.
George Moore, Son, 1, Worcester Northfield.
1854, 29th April Parish of Lapworth
George Moore, full, Bach'r Servant, Lapworth, Father: Charles Moore, Labourer.
Eleanor Brittain, full, Sp'r, Servant, Lapworth, Father: William Brittain, Butcher.
Present wit:s Henry Sanders ; Ann Moore.
The 1854 Marriage confirms he was the Son of Charles Moore, Labourer.
Funeral notices that give a surname, with Mr, Miss, or Mrs, with a town or place, can usually be very useful to trace wider family.
I'll let you find and search the Census in between the above for possible Moore relatives on Census night?
Mark
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Mark
Thanks for carrying on after the Mottrams etc, it was late and I ran out of steam!
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Mr T. Smallwood (Stratford), in the funeral notice, seems to be:-
Thomas Smallwood of Stratford upon Avon, born about 1861 Henley in Arden (some Census years Thomas Smallwood born Wootton Wawen).
By 1921 Thomas Smallwood, was married.
The Census and the GRO Index suggest that Thomas Smallwood, was actually born Joseph Thomas Waring, in 1861. Birth Certificate - Not Seen.
His Mother, Fanny Waring married Thomas Smallwood, in 1863.
1901
Thomas Smallwood, 39, Builder, Henley in Arden.
Fanny Smallwood, Mother, Wid, 63, Henley in Arden.
Louisa Smallwood, Niece, 12, Henley in Arden.
1891
Fanny Smallwood, Head, Wid, 53, Henley in Arden.
Thomas Smallwood, Son, 29, Wootton Wawen.
Edward Smallwood, Son, 22, Henley in Arden.
Alice Smallwood, Daur, 15, N. K.
Mary Walton, Boarder, 81, [Birthplace blank].
In 1881
Lucy Smallwood, Head, W, 73, Shoe Maker, Henley in Arden.
Mary Smallwood, Daur, U, 41, Henley in Arden.
Thomas Smallwood, Grandson, U, 19, Joiner App, born Henley in Arden.
George Smallwood, 17, Joiner App, Henley in Arden.
Betty Harris, Lodger, W, 73, born Henley in Arden.
1871
Thomas Smallwood, 36, Cordwainer, Wootton Wawen.
Fanny Smallwood, 33, Wootton Wawen.
Joseph T. Waring, Son, 9, Census all children born Wootton Wawen.
George Smallwood, Son, 7,
Harry Smallwood, Son, 4,
E Smallwood, Son, 2, Wootton Wawen.
Notes:-
Louisa Smallwood in 1901 Census Birthplace?? Or born 1888 Annie Louisa Smallwood, Mother M.S. Sherrington ?
1864 George Smallwood, Mother M.S. Waring.
1839 Mary Smallwood born, Mother's M.S. Walton. Stratford upon Avon Registration District.
Can't see if, or how Moore, fit in, but posted anyway because you may come across one of these surnames again in the future.
Mark