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Title: Second name
Post by: kokomo on Sunday 27 April 25 15:36 BST (UK)

Hello

Today I came across this record of baptism and I am struggling to understand the second name of the boy.

His name is Dennis but the second name could be Shirgen, Stirges, Shorges? It seems he had no father because his mother's name only appears (illegitimate perhaps?) I was wondering if the mother put as second name the possible name of the father, after all it was not uncommon to put other people's surname as second name, right?

Also, after his second name the inscription "bareborn" reads? What would that imply?

Thanks in advance

Title: Re: Second name
Post by: Tickettyboo on Sunday 27 April 25 15:42 BST (UK)

Second forename could be Sturgen and the other word is baseborn which means he was illegitimate

Boo

Title: Re: Second name
Post by: Old Bristolian on Sunday 27 April 25 15:55 BST (UK)

I think it's Sturges, and as you say, a surname used as a middle name often 'points the finger' at the father.

Title: Re: Second name
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 27 April 25 15:58 BST (UK)

Sturges
Baseborn = illegitimate

Title: Re: Second name
Post by: kokomo on Sunday 27 April 25 16:03 BST (UK)

Thanks for the prompt feedback, much appreciated

Title: Re: Second name
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 27 April 25 16:21 BST (UK)

Info only, He was Dennis Sturges Humby, went on to marry and had a daughter.

Name   Emma Maria Humby
Gender   Female
Age   19
Birth Date   1840
Marriage Date   2 Jun 1859
Marriage Place   Southampton, Hampshire, England
Father   
Dennis Sturges Humby
Spouse   
Charles Colebrook


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Title: Re: Second name
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 28 April 25 11:38 BST (UK)

May be relevant?

A Dennis STURGES Married a Mary CROUCH 29 Nov 1805, St Mary, Kingston Deverill, Wiltshire.

Possible baby daddy :)   

Title: Re: Second name
Post by: kokomo on Monday 28 April 25 12:50 BST (UK)

Thanks!

Mary Humby was born in 1774 and her son Dennis Sturges Jr was born in 1801 in Dinton Wiltshire so Dennis Sturges Sr might have been the person you're referring to, Trish

By the way, I found out yesterday that Mary had two other illegitimate sons: Henry (1808) and William (1822).

Title: Re: Second name
Post by: kokomo on Tuesday 29 April 25 00:36 BST (UK)

Today I made some additional research on Mary Humby.

It seems she was written down on her own baptism record by her mother only: Elizabeth (no father registered it seems). This was around 1774.

Curiously Elizabeth was also registered with her mother's name as well. On her baptism record from 1741 it reads "Elizabeth the (Spur:)"???

From what I have found out there were three generations of single mothers from the same family on the same town: Elizabeth Sr, Elizabeth Jr and Mary Humby. :o :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: Second name
Post by: Jool on Tuesday 29 April 25 01:21 BST (UK)

Quote from: kokomo on Tuesday 29 April 25 00:36 BST (UK)

Curiously Elizabeth was also registered with her mother's name as well. On her baptism record from 1741 it reads "Elizabeth the (Spur:)"???

Spur is probably an abbreviation of spurious = illegitimate.