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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Renfrewshire => Topic started by: Welly07 on Thursday 24 April 25 19:10 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm looking for the parents/siblings of Elizabeth Thomson born around 1815/16 according to census records.
She married James Brodie in 1841 in lockwinnoch.
Census records says she was born in lockwinnoch and a Geneanet community tree on ancestry says her parents were Peter Thomson and Jean Mcintosh born and she was on 16/03/1816 which I'm not finding proof off. Her death record in Feb 1897 Paisley also has her parents as Peter Thompson and Jean.
Please help , thank you
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Have you the marriage record for her?
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1841 census for Elizabeth Thomson (age 24)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/67ffd96ab18f7c2fafd56f11/elizabeth-thomson-1841-renfrewshire-lochwinnoch-1817-?locale=en
Marriage in Lochwinnoch 26/05/1809
Peter Thomson to Jean McIntosh
There don’t appear to be records of baptisms for any children, but this is not unusual. Not all baptisms were recorded, and not all records survive.
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It looks as if there was an older sister, Susan Thomson (born abt 1811), who married a brother, John Brodie, in Lochwinnoch in 1833.
Both Brodie families are living in Calder St in the 1851 census. Both families are involved in the same occupation.
1841 census (Susan)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/67ffd959b18f7c2fafd5500f/susanna-brodie-1841-renfrewshire-lochwinnoch-1811-?locale=en
1851 census (Susan)
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a154faef4040b9d6e626366/susan-brodie-1851-renfrewshire-lochwinnoch-1811-?locale=en
Susan’s death certificate gives the mother’s maiden name as McIntosh
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I have attended image of the marriage record for James and Elizabeth in 1841.
This is the first tome I have come across ancestors that have not been Baptised especially in lockwinnoch so it seemed very odd to me that their wasn't any definite proof.
Thank you both for looking
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This is the first tome I have come across ancestors that have not been Baptised especially in lockwinnoch so it seemed very odd to me that their wasn't any definite proof.
You have been very lucky, then.
In my tree I have 7821 related people born in Scotland before the start of civil registration. I have yet to find a baptism record for 2079 of these.That is, just over a quarter of them are missing from the records.
The further back you go, the patchier the records are.
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That is insane, seem iv still much to learn. How do you even verify with no baptism. Still going through early 1800s so haven't gone that far back as yet
Only issue iv found so far beside this is siblings liked to give their kids the same names which gets confusing
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Fortunately you can use the death certificates of both Elizabeth and Susan to give you parents names.
Going through the Lochwinnoch parish accounts and minutes is another avenue to explore in case there is mention of the family there.
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That is insane, seem iv still much to learn. How do you even verify with no baptism.
Scottish death certificates normally give the names of both parents, including the mother's maiden surname, and the name(s) of any spouse(s). They are not always correct, but mostly they are.
Only issue iv found so far beside this is siblings liked to give their kids the same names which gets confusing
Ah, but that can be useful. A lot of parents followed the traditional naming pattern, which was
First daughter after mother's mother
First son after father's father
Second daughter after father's mother
Second son after mother's father
Third daughter after mother
Third son after father
Fourth and subsequent children after geat-grandparents, uncles/aunts, minister, doctor, schoolmaster, landowner etc or their wives.
So if, for example, the names of Elizabeth's first daughter and second son are the same as those of Susan's first daughter and second son, you have a pointer to the names of their parents.
I note that John and Susan named their first and second daughters Jean, the first one having presumably died as she isn't in the census with the rest of the family, and the next daughter Janet. James and Elizabeth's first daughter was Jean and her second was Janet.