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1901 Census Mary Ellen Nolan
Could anyone help me find the 1901 record for my Great Great Grandmother Mary Ellen Nolan? I can’t seem to find her for that year.
Born 1878 Chester, Cheshire
Married 1902 to Thomas Simmonds
1881 6, Hawarden Castle Entry, Chester
1891 29, Lower Bridge Street, Chester
1901 ??
1911 4 Anderson Street, Salford
In 1901 her siblings; Margaret, Frank & Joseph Nolan were residing at 17 Alma Street, Chester
Mother: Ellen Nolan (died 1890)
Father: Michael Nolan
Any help tracking her record down would be greatly appreciated.
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Married 1902 to Thomas Simmonds
Do you have the marriage certificate? If so what residence at time of marriage is listed for her?
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I don’t have the marriage certificate to hand, but I know they married in Salford.
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Ignore this one!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS6H-N9X?lang=en
Stockport
William Lomas Head M 42 b Stockport
Sarah Ann Lomas Wife F 41 b Manchester
Mary Ellen Nolan Stepdaughter F 22 b Manchester
Eliza Lomas Daughter F 19 b Stockport
Mary Lomas Daughter F 17 b Stockport
David Thomas Lomas M Son 13 b Stockport
James Lomas M Son 10 b Stockport
James Adam Nolan M Stepson 20 b Manchester
Joseph Nolan M Stepson 14 b Stockport
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There's a "Nellie" Nolan, born 1878, Chester in Salford in '91 - occpn bar-maid. If you get the marr. cert might include Mary Ellen's occupation.
Address 2-6 Eccles New Road
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There's a "Nellie" Nolan, born 1878, Chester in Salford in '91 - occpn bar-maid. If you get the marr. cert might include Mary Ellen's occupation.
Address 2-6 Eccles New Road
Link: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X92M-R9N?lang=en
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The publican on the 1901 Census, where Nellie is at 2-6 Eccles New Road, is William Featherstone. The Manchester Courier, 1 Jan 1906 refers to "Mr Featherstone, Ship Hotel, Eccles New Road".
Pub not named but would appear to be the PH just below Regent Theatre-
https://maps.nls.uk/view/126522830#zoom=6.1&lat=9532&lon=11674&layers=BTe
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Just to confirm HT's deduction about the Ship Hotel, here is the 1953 1:1250 OS map with the PH named and the street numbering included.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/210705913#zoom=5.7&lat=2761&lon=4905&layers=BT (https://maps.nls.uk/view/210705913#zoom=5.7&lat=2761&lon=4905&layers=BT)
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A pub crawl starting at the Ship Hotel
https://salfordhistory.blogspot.com/2015/09/cross-lane-pubs-salford.html (https://salfordhistory.blogspot.com/2015/09/cross-lane-pubs-salford.html)
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September quarter 1902 Salford Vol. 8d page 294
Thomas Simmonds and Mary Ellen Nolan
The marriage certificate will name her father to verify you have the correct couple.
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This post is strictly for map aficionados only. And possibly fans of postwar British raincoats.
Further to my reply #7, on the linked map I spotted the annotation 'rp' at the corner of the Ship Hotel. Further research revealed that this is a "revision point". The Ordnance Survey took a huge series of photographs to log these points.
The website timepix.uk has an extensive collection of these photos including those for Greater Manchester. Here is the photo for the Ship Hotel, from September 1946.
https://www.timepix.uk/keyword/n-rthKP3/Ship%20Hotel (https://www.timepix.uk/keyword/n-rthKP3/Ship%20Hotel)
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AB,
As a "mapaholic" thanks for this. Casting about for the background to the exercise, again it mentions many collections have been destroyed while others remain in paper form in archives. Manchester seems to have been particularly lucky when the collection of 23,000 photos was saved and uploaded..
"RPs were often on corners of buildings and other immovable features and were fixed to centimetre accuracy". Where are those immovable features now at the junction of Eccles New Road and Regent Road?
"The men with the pointy sticks" - great stuff.
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Where are those immovable features now at the junction of Eccles New Road and Regent Road?
Sadly, long gone, and buried under a rundabout.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.9&lat=53.47907&lon=-2.28288&layers=258&b=GoogleSatHyb&o=100 (https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19.9&lat=53.47907&lon=-2.28288&layers=258&b=GoogleSatHyb&o=100)
I wonder if the revision points were ever actually used by the OS?
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I did a StreetView check of the locale - no chance of a pub crawl now, only a traffic crawl. I enjoyed this item
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/arrow-photos-mapping-manchester
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Thanks for that link HT: some of those photos are like surrealist art.
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Thank you very much to everyone for your information.
I wasn’t expecting Nellie Nolan to be listed under her nickname “Nellie” so no wonder I couldn’t find her and by the looks of it it’s been transcribed as “Holan”.
There’s been 2 replies for 1901 census record for Nellie Nolan, one being the lunatic asylum and the other being the pub where she may have worked.
Is it possible for someone to be listed in 2 different places on the same register?
I can’t see an admission to the lunatic asylum for “Nellie Nolan” but there does appear to be a “Mary Nolan” and her full name was “Mary Ellen Nolan”
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Yes it is possible to be listed twice but first make sure one of them isn’t a different lady.
How about checking the marriage information as suggested to see if that confirms she was the pub entry.
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A Thomas Simmonds, born Bury St Edmonds was at 8 Derby St, Salford on the 1901 Census. Derby Road ran south from Regent Road
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101103809#zoom=5.9&lat=5212&lon=4578&layers=BT
The Ship Hotel was at the junction of Eccles New Road and Regent Road - a stone's throw from Derby St.
No substitute for the marriage cert - although father's details present on cert. cannot be guaranteed.
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I remembered that I do have the marriage certificate and Mary Ellen is living at 2 Eccles New Road, Salford. Her Father is listed as Michael Nolan ‘Builder and Contractor’.
There’s no profession listed for Nellie. Thomas is listed as ‘fishmongers clerk’.
Interestingly, Thomas lists his Father as ? Illegible ? Simmonds (deceased) but his Father’s surname was actually “Raby”.
Thank you everyone for your help finding her!
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Thanks for the update.
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Based on your marriage cert details, it sounds like you’ve definitely found the right Mary Ellen. The address at 2 Eccles New Rd links beautifully with the 1901 census entry for “Nellie” Nolan, barmaid, born Chester 1878. As for Thomas, the mystery of his father’s name makes more sense now — turns out Thomas was likely born a Raby, son of Isaac Raby and Frances Simmonds, but later used his mother’s surname. That’s why the marriage cert lists “? Simmonds (deceased)” as his father. Fascinating stuff! You might try ordering the full marriage cert (Salford Q3 1902, vol 8d p.294) to confirm every detail.
FreeBMD: http://www.freebmd.org.uk
I remembered that I do have the marriage certificate and Mary Ellen is living at 2 Eccles New Road, Salford. Her Father is listed as Michael Nolan ‘Builder and Contractor’.
There’s no profession listed for Nellie. Thomas is listed as ‘fishmongers clerk’.
Interestingly, Thomas lists his Father as ? Illegible ? Simmonds (deceased) but his Father’s surname was actually “Raby”.
Thank you everyone for your help finding her!
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Yes, that’s correct, he was born “Raby”.
I’m not sure of political/cultural acceptance years ago, but the Raby family declared themselves “Pig Farmers” not just “farmers” or “Pig Butchers” not just “Butchers” I’m guessing as a means of identifying themselves as absolutely not Jewish.
So for him to drop the name is telling also.