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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: mezentia on Saturday 19 April 25 19:46 BST (UK)
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I can't quite make out the place where Elizabeth's father lived, but it seems he was not a parishioner? The entry is for Oldbury in Shropshire. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FP212-A-1-1%2F116217&parentid=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FBAP%2F510404 (https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FP212-A-1-1%2F116217&parentid=GBPRS%2FSHROP%2FBAP%2F510404)
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The man lived at ye ffidle...
Does that make sense?
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...but was no Parishioner
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That's what I thought it said, but what does it mean?
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:P Hazard a guess that it may have been a pub/hotel or as the combined facility was known back in those days...an Inn. ie: The Fiddle ... Thus they may have been travelling, from elsewhere, and she happened to give birth on the trip...
Or, because he "lived" there, was very well off and could afford a lengthy stay? But then would he not have been "of the parish"?
adding: Looking further into the couple from that baptism Feb. 16. 1717 Oldbury Shropshire
Dau. of John Bill & his wife...The man lived at ye Fidle...But was no Parishioner.
Might this have been a secret birth, if it was this couple?
a John Bill & Sarah Benbow Marriage Apr. 28 1717 Bridgnorth, Shropshire, Eng.
potential offspring (eight in BridgeNorth) and also another couple.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01trc/
Sara Benbowe - Father Tho. Mother Mary
Christening 28 May 1697 St Mary Magdalene, Bridgnorth, Shrops
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Hi, I noticed that there is a place called Rhos Fiddle in Shropshire, is it possible that it is a descriptive name?
Rhos Fiddle seems to be heathland?
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Good thought...My thought, though, was that the Ye (the) made it sound more like a local "place within a place"... for example "the cottages", "the Moors" or "the Warren"...
There weren't all that many John Bill in Shropshire. A very successful leather-worker/saddler from Drayton d.1720 who may have been related.
adding:
John Bill England, Staffordshire, Church Records
Marriage License 1710 Baschurch, Shropshire, England
Marriage 14 February 1710 Spouses Sarah Hutton
John Bill & Elizabeth Humphryes Marriage 15 April 1691
Much Wenlock, Shropshire, England, United Kingdom
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I have, I think, traced part of my wife's Bill/Bills family back to the parish of Willey. To take a broader look at the Bill/Bills family, I am currently going through all the Baptisms, Marriages and Burials for the family in Shropshire. FindMyPast has returned 426 baptisms and I am up to the Elizabeths in transcribing them fully and checking the images, so quite a way still to go.
My thoughts on the baptism in question were that Fiddler may be a location in Oldbury parish, and that the baptism was for a family not normally resident. However, the wording I am used to actually states that the father "was of the parish of ...", which makes me think he is possibly some form of intinerant. NLS have old maps of Oldbury, but only as far back as the 1880s, so tring to find somewhere called "Fiddler" may be tricky, unless older maps can be found online. I will check with the Shropshire FHS to see if anyone can help. The parish is adjacent to Bridgnorth, so a clandestine baptism may still be a possibilty, but I have never come across clandestine baptisms before, only marriages. I will look at this further.
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There was a weird internet thing happening this morning...Never showed your reply, so was adding to my above post... Moving this down to here so you can see it...
!!! Just saw another reference to a "birth" there for another couple the following year:
1718 ...BORN at ye Fidle & bap. Sep. ye sixth.
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David Nicoll has a reply above, naming a place. Don't see any population there, though...and a long way to go to give birth, as I noted above, in Ye FFidle...(The Fiddle.) There were very few BMD entries in Oldbury in any given year ( few as one seldom more than ten) as the population was tiny & small even now. Maybe check the 2 marriages to see if they gave a location for the men.
Seems the Drayton Will might need a read through as well.
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My goodness, a colouful register, Oldbury (which started out as it's own Parish)...as there were yrs with LESS than one event...
Anno Dni 1584, 1590 & 1595. "Nothing fell out to be Registered this year aforesaid."
Later blank ones said "Nothinge registered this yeare."
Little info given in those oldies so even harder to get back from there...
Interesting timeline for Oldbury chapel... https://www.historyofoldbury.co.uk/2timeline.htm
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Hi, I didn’t mean that necessarily they lived at Rhos Fiddle, more that it seems to be a descriptive name, so perhaps there was one more locally. Not necessarily inn related.
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Oh, absolutely, which is why I looked for a population. The register shows loads of couples from other Parishes...Just that none ever are given the status of "Ye" by the registrar.
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Thank you all for your help and suggestions.
I have since had a resposnse from the Shropshire Family History Society. There is a will for a Mary Weale of The Fiddle in the Parish of Oldbury. It's a pre-1826 will, and I have yet to get hold of a copy.
Also, on the Oldbury tithe map, dated 1839, plot 206, the Fiddle House and garden is in the occupation of Thomas Nock, though he is not there in 1841, the landowner was Thomas Whitmore, in the tithe apportionments. Unfortunately, I don't have a subscription to the Genealogist, and can't find a copy of the map online
There is also an article in the 8th April 1983 issue of the Bridgnorth Journal about The Fiddle public house being at the foot of Railway St. It seems it was demolished to clear space for the railway tunnel. FindMyPast sadly does not have this issue online :(
This, I think, clears my questions.
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Hi David,
I'm pleased that you found the information that I researched and posted for you on the SFHS Message Forum useful.
I assume you received the tithe map and location plan that I subsequently emailed you.
Gwynne Chadwick
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Hello Gwynne
Yes, I did receive the map and location plan, thank you.
David