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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: queencorgi1 on Saturday 19 April 25 15:35 BST (UK)
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You will see from the attached image (General Register Office) that although R.V. Millard lived at 105 St George's Street, Pimlico, he actually died at 45 Devonshire Street on 3 July 1921. I wondered who lived at that address? Was it perhaps a nursing home or similar? However, when I tried to trace the address in the 1921 Census on both Ancestry and FindMyPast I kept getting the message that Devonshire Street W1 didn't exist -- which it quite clearly did, having looked it up on Google Street View and seen its architecture -- in fact no. 45 did. Nor can I see an indication that the street's name was different in 1921.
Can anyone clarify this for me? I've traced addresses in the censuses before and not had a problem. As I say, what I really want ideally is to find out why Millard died there and not at his home -- from the sound of it he must have been ill for some days at least, if not a week or two.
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45-46 looks like a nursing home. Search by Address.
He is there.
I can't give you more info as it's the 1921.
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Interesting that the person "causing the body to be buried" gave a Canadian address. Even if they worked in the nursing home, you'd think they would have given their London address.
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Yes, I was surprised! Usually it's actually someone present at the death, isn't it, or a relative? Millard was Canadian, but I can't see that Gates was a relative.
I tried searching by Address, of course, on both websites, but Devonshire Street itself, let alone no. 45 just didn't come up. As I said, I haven't had this problem before and can't see what the issue is. A nursing home would make sense, but I'd just like to locate the actual citation.
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I think the phrase "causing the body to be buried" is usually used by a member of staff at the nursing home, hospital or prison etc. rather than the usual "present at death". I could be wrong and I'm sure a much better informed Rootschatter will advise if I am.
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If it helps, it's in St Marylebone, W1.
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We can't give you the details but if you go into address search on FindMyPast, and put in Devonshire Street and Marylebone, London W1, you should get it.
I got it in about 2 mins.
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Here is an explanation of ‘causing the body to be buried’
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748789.msg5965496#msg5965496
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Thank you JenB.
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Three newspaper adverts (1926-28) refer to "Nursing Home, 45 Devonshire Street" at"Portland Place" or "Marylebone" - 1 birth, 2 deaths.
In the Marleybone Mercury, 24 May 1919 the "Matron, 45 Devonshire Street" is advertising for staff (domestic).
The Kilburn Times, 8 Feb 1918 has "Mrs Cobbold, Portman Hospital, 45 Devonshire Street, Marylebone".
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Portman Hospital
https://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/soldiers/a-soldiers-life-1914-1918/the-evacuation-chain-for-wounded-and-sick-soldiers/military-hospitals-in-the-british-isles-1914-1918/military-hospitals-in-london/
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You know what? I think the problem was not putting ST Marylebone, just Marylebone!
Thanks to everyone who commented.
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45-46 looks like a nursing home. Search by Address.
He is there.
I can't give you more info as it's the 1921.
Following Gadget's and Hanes Replies
1926
This example referring to the Inquest of the Late Mrs M. E. Lloyd:-
"She was removed on October 14th to a Nursing Home at 45, Devonshire-street, Marylebone."
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You may have seen this already ...
2/Lieutenant Ronald Vanstone MILLARD. General List.
The National Archives, Kew, Cat. Ref:
WO 374/47711
Date 1918 to 1921
Former Departmental Reference: 1375
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C717839
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Births and Deaths Registration Act 1874
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Vict/37-38/88/body/enacted/data.htm?view=plain
10. Information concerning death where deceased dies in a house
"When a person dies in a house after the commencement of this Act, it shall be the duty of the nearest relatives of the deceased present at the death, or in attendance during the last illness of the deceased, and in default of such relatives, of every other relative of the deceased dwelling or being in the same sub-district as the deceased, and in default of such relatives, of each person present at the death, and of the occupier of the house in which, to his knowledge, the death took place, and in default of the persons herein-before in this section mentioned, of each inmate of such house, and of the person causing the body of the deceased person to be buried, to give, to the best of his knowledge and belief, to the registrar, within the five days next following the day of such death, information of the particulars required to be registered concerning such death, and in the presence of the registrar to sign the register."
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This suggests a Funeral Director, or a person taking charge of the body for burial can also be the Informant.
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Was he buried in England, or Canada?
A long time ago, I researched a crash of a Lockheed Hudson aircraft in England in 1940.
The family in Canada of the Captain had authorised a friend 'Representative' in England to go and claim his coffin waiting in the church for burial from the Air Ministry. Instructions were then given to a Funeral Director in England to collect his coffin and prepare him for repatriation to a Funeral Home in Canada for burial there.
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A Local Authority currently says:-
A qualified informant is:
a relative by blood, marriage or adoption of the person who has died
the partner of the person who has died
a person who is not related but was present at the death
a person who is arranging the funeral
an occupier of a building such as a care or nursing home manager
the personal representative of the deceased i.e. someone appointed by them or their family such as a Solicitor
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Thank you for your comments! I've checked and yes, like the case you mention Millard's body was repatriated and buried in his home town of Hamilton, Ontario:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/190650105/ronald-vanstone-millard
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https://archive.org/details/bluebook191000dauuoft/page/n157/mode/2up
In 1910, 332 Bay Street South was the home of Mr and Mrs F. W. Gates (Junior)
Miss Gladys and Miss Dorothy Gates, as well as Alexander Frederick Gates.
in 1901 you can see Gladys with them
http://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.redirect?app=census&id=35673902&lang=eng&
She was Gladys Mary so could have been G.M.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XLTK-98N?lang=en
Now, the other three children married in Ontario, but Gladys was unmarried in 1921 at the time of her mother's death (she seems to have used the welsh spelling Gwladys later in life)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C3MW-D32Q-Z?lang=en&i=2371
And here is proof that Gladys was in the country - she left Canada May 24th 1921 for "holiday" and returned home 12 August 1921. Perhaps the families knew each other in Canada.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=img&app=microform&id=30927_2000901365-04116
( https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/mass-digitized-archives/ocean-arrivals/Pages/item.aspx?EntryName=Gardiner%2c+Rachel+-+Gaunt%2c+Lydia&PageId=3445762 to go through all the items, it looks like she made a couple of journeys in these years and her father did as well and I think was with them in 1921)
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Jorose, that's amazing! The families must have known each other, I feel sure. It's touching to think of Ronald Millard being with friends at the end, and I'm sure the Gates family would have been able to help with the repatriation of his body.
Thank you so much for your kindness in researching this!
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Also, I've just flipped through the 'Society Blue Book' to which you included a link -- possibly one of the most evocative period items I've ever seen -- and there are the Millard family, receiving on Wednesdays ...