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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: cheruk on Friday 18 April 25 17:59 BST (UK)
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Hi everyone, I hope its OK to post here. I'm not based in Scotland and cant access ScotlandsPeople, so I'm hoping someone might be able to check or point you in the right direction.
m helping a friend trace her Gellender(s) ancestry and am looking for a marriage record for:
* James William Gellenders, born 1725 in Aberdeen, Scotland
* His wife was Ada Caroline (maiden name unknown)
* Their son, William Ernest Gellender, was born in 1755 in Aberdeenshire
The surname may have originally been Gillanders, Gellender, Gellenders, Gallender, or other variants.
I believe the marriage took place sometime before 1755, likely in Aberdeenshire.
Any help finding this marriage or other children of the couple would be greatly appreciated!
Thank you in advance!
Chrissy
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It's good to post here, but you don't have to be in Scotland to access Scotland's People. Everyone has the same access. It's free to register and look at the indexes, and there is a small fee to view most original documents including records of birth/baptisms, banns/marriages, and deaths.
Ancestry (that notorious repository of genealogical disinformation) has a listing of a William Ernest Gellender, parents James William Gellender and Ada Caroline Peel, born in Newcastle-on-Tyne, Northumberland, England in 1885. For once it appears to be correct*, as this is matched by a listing on FreeBMD of the birth of William Ernest Gellender there in 1885. FreeBMD also has a listing of the marriage of James William Gellender to Ada Caroline Peel in the same place in 1882.
You can order copies of the English documents at https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
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Hi Cheruk
Have you made a mistake with your dates? You have posted birth & marriage dates in the 1700's when it appears to be the 1800's
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The James W Gellender who married Ada Caroline Peel in 1882 (in Newcastle-upon-Tyne), and was the father of William Ernest Gellender, born 1885 in Newcastle-upon-Tyne, was himself born in 1860 in Newcastle-upon-Tyne (as was Ada). No Scottish apparent in this generation.
Added: and from the 1861 census it seems that James W Gellenders parents were both born in Jersey.
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James William Gellender died Newcastle 1939 aged 78
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Update on Gellender(s) Jersey and Newcastle roots after all!
Hi everyone just popping back with an update (and a heartfelt thank you for your patience!).
It turns out I was initially chasing two different Gellender families one in Jersey in the 1700s and one in Newcastle in the 1800s and for a while, I thought they were unrelated. I also dragged poor Aberdeen into it as a red herring, based on a dodgy online tree! So sorry for that mix-up I know better than to trust unsourced info, but weve all been there. 😅
I was helping my friend Sophie Gellender, whose modern family is definitely from Newcastle, and I originally thought she must be from the later English Gellender line (James William Gellender & Ada Caroline Peel, m.1882). But with some deeper digging, we've now traced Sophies direct ancestry back to:
James Gellender (b. early 1800s), who married Mary Aubin (b. 1832, likely in Jersey)
Given the names and dates, its now looking very likely that this James is a descendant of William Ernest Gellender, baptised in St Helier, Jersey in 1755, son of James Gellenders & Ada Caroline the very line I had initially thought was just a detour.
So its come full circle Sophie really does descend from the Jersey Gellenders, just a few generations later than I first suspected.
Thanks again for your kindness and support I so appreciate this community and your willingness to help a confused (but persistent!) amateur like me.
Warm wishes,
Chrissy
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I believe that this fits with what you are saying:
James Gellender b abt 1834 m Mary Aubin 15 Sept 1859
St Martin, Jersey
his father John Gellender
her father Franηois Aubin
These are the parents grandparents of James W Gellender who married Ada Caroline Peel. So your friends Jersey ancestors moved to Newcastle ~1860 where their son was born. Perhaps James (~1834) was already in Newcastle before the date of his marriage and went to Jersey for his wedding.
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Births, Gellender, Newcastle-on-Tyne, mother Aubin
James William 1860
Florence Mary Elizabeth 1862
Francis John 1864
Blanche Louise 1866
Ernest Henry 1868
Ada Amy 1870
Louisa Mary 1873
Charles Frederick 1874
1861 Census, Newcastle: James Gellender, 26, born Jersey; wife Mary, 27, born Jersey; James William Gellender, 9 months, born Newcastle. Haven't found them in 1871, but by 1881 Mary was a widow.
Er .... it's a bit of a coincidence, surely, that two couples named James and Ada Caroline Gellender should have sons named William Ernest 130 years apart, one in Jersey, the other in Newcastle?
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There is a Scottish connection after all: Mary Gellender/Aubins father died in Newcastle but was of Tayport in 1865.
4 October 1865: Newcastle Journal
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And James Gellender was a fruiterer (note this was published in the same week as the previous snippet)
6 October 1865: Newcastle Daily Chronicle
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Wow people, you really came up with the beans! Thank you all so much. I have now I think, been able to provide my friend with the link back to Jersey in her ancestry! You have been a huge help! Thank you!!!
Sophies Ancestry
Generation 1
Jean (John) Gellender born c. late 1700s, possibly early 1800s, born Jersey
Spouse: Elizabeth Betsey Brasford
Known child:
James Gellender, born c.1834, St Martin, Jersey
Generation 2
James Gellender (b. ~1834, St Martin, Jersey d. bef. 1881, Newcastle)
Spouse: Mary Aubin (b. ~1833, Jersey d. aft. 1881, Newcastle)
Married: 15 September 1859, St Martin, Jersey
Mary's father: Franηois Aubin
Children (all born Newcastle, Northumberland):
James William Gellender (b. 1860)
Florence Mary Elizabeth Gellender (b. 1862)
Francis John Gellender (b. 1864)
Blanche Louise Gellender (b. 1866)
Ernest Henry Gellender (b. 1868)
Ada Amy Gellender (b. 1870)
Louisa Mary Gellender (b. 1873)
Charles Frederick Gellender (b. 1874)
Generation 3
James William Gellender (b. 1860, Newcastle)
Spouse: Ada Caroline Peel
Married: 1882, Newcastle upon Tyne
Child:
Charles H. Gellender (b. 1903 d. 1930)
Generation 4
Charles H. Gellender (19031930)
Spouse: Mary Isabella Lamb (19011953)
Child:
Francis E. A. Gellender (19272005)
Generation 5
Francis E. A. Gellender (19272005)
Spouse: Jean Emily Pain (19272015)
Child:
Neil Gellender (b. 1960)
Generation 6
Neil Gellender (b. 1960)
Spouse: Helen Bartlett (b. 1962)
Child:
Sophie Gellender (b. 1994)
Thanks again
Chrissy
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1851 Census: St Martin, Jersey. Francis Aubin, 43, draper, born Grouville, Jersey; daughter Mary, 18; son John, 16; daughter Jane, 14; son Charles, 12; all born St Martins.
1841: Francis, 32, draper; Mary, 32; Francis, 10; Mary, 8; John, 6; Jane,4; Charles, 2; Elizabeth Coutanches, 28. But wife/mother's name is not Elizabeth so maybe this Mary isn't the future Mrs Gellender.
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Thats great thank you, the original intention was to try and go back to investigate the origin of her surname but is reportedly rare. There are various hypotheses.
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Jean GELLENDER married Elizabeth BRASFORD
25 Mar 1813 St Helier Jersey
Children of Jean and Elizabeth Gellender / Gelender baptised St Helier, Jersey:-
John Gellender - 7 Aug 1814 (Godparents William Gelender the grandfather and Anne Gelender the aunt)
Edouard Gellender - 25 Feb 1816 burial 29 Feb
Edouard Gellender 3 Jan 1817 - burial Oct 1818 (Godparents Edouard Brasford the grandfather and Jeanne Le Vavasseur dit Durell his wife)
Edouard Durell Gellender 7 Mar 1819
George Gellender - 4 Feb 1821
Elizabeth Gellender - 24 Mar 1822
Louisa Gellender 10 Aug 1823
Eliza Jane Gellender - 26 Sep 1824
George Thomas Gellender 25 Jan 1826
Jane Durell Gelender 17 Jan 1827 (Godparents Edouard Brasford the grandfather and Jeanne Le Vavasseur dit Durell his wife)
Bailly Gellender 10 Apr 1831
Charles Gellender 16 June 1833
James Gellender 3 Aug 1834
1841 census St Helier
John GELENDER 45 bootmaker
Elizth GELENDER 40
John G 20 grocer, Edward G 20 shoe maker, Lucia/ louisa 15 dressmaker, George 14
Jane 10, Bailly 8, Charles 6, James 5
Elizabeth Gellender, nee Brasford - burial St Helier 30 Sep 1867
Death John/ Jean GELLENDER master cordwainer age 77
29 Jan 1869
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Jean Gellender was born abt 1790.
I believe this will be his parents.
William GELLENDER (of Aberdeen Scotland, Sojouner in St Helier)** to Louise Le BAILLY (of St Helier)
Marriage 24 Nov 1785 St. Saviour Jersey
William GELENDER burial 22 May 1830 St Helier Jersey, Age 70
** - so he came originally from Aberdeen Scotland,born abt 1760.
I believe the marriage record actually names him as William GLENDERS. attached below.
You find the surname GILLENDERS / GALENDERS / GILLANDAR, etc in Aberdeenshire in the mid-late 1700s and forward.
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Mary AUBIN baptism 16 Sep 1832 St Martin
Daughter of Francois AUBIN and Marie Rachel COUTANCHE
MARRIAGE 4 Jan 1829 Grouville
Francois AUBIN to Marie Rachel COUTANCHE (Trinity)
Children of Francois AUBIN and Marie Rachel COUTANCHE
Francois 22 Aug 1830 bapt Grouville
Mary 16 Sep 1832 bapt St Martin
Jean 30 Nov 1834 bapt St Martin
Jane - 20 Nov 1836 bapt St Martin
Charles 20 June 1839 bapt St Martin
Burial Maria Rachel AUBIN nee COUTANCHE (38 years) wife of Francois
16 Jan 1847 St. Martin
Baptism - Maria Rachel COUTANCHE
5 June 1808 Trinity
Daughter of Philippe and Marie COUTANCHE
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Baptism Francois AUBIN
03 Apr 1808 Grouville
Son of Josue AUBIN and Elizabeth LE BOULANGER
MARRIAGE 20 Feb 1796 Grouville
Josue AUBIN to Elizabeth LE BOULANGER
Children of Josue and Elizabeth AUBIN baptised Grouville:-
Thomas 1796
Joseph 1798
Elizabeth 1801
Anne 1803
Francois 1808
Burial Josue AUBIN 5 Mar 1826 Grouville (no age recorded)
Burial Elizabeth AUBIN (nee Le BOULANGER)
30 Aug 1834 Grouville. Widow of Josue.
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You guys are the gift that keeps on giving!!! You are amazing! Thank you so much!
Chrissy
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Continuation of my previous reply#13.
I have found the baptism for John GALENDER
St Helier 20 Aug 1790
Son of William Galender and Louise Le Bailly
Yes, the childrens baptisms are all with the name GALENDER in St Helier
1786 William
1789 Anne
1790 Jean (John)
1793 George
1798 David
Parents William Galender and Louise Le Bailly
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Hi, just to jump in.
The Jersey 1815 Militia Survey gives :
William Gallander, aged 65
William Gallander, aged 30
Both of whom would fit nicely.
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In the 1881 census Mary Gellender, widow, 48 is living at Wingrove Villa, Elswick and is a fruiterer and florist. Her son James W Gellender, 20, has the same occupation.
Mary Gellender died in 1885
13 February 1885: Newcastle Courant
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By late 1886 James W Gellender had declared bankruptcy
2 December 1886: Commercial Gazette (London)
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His hearing on December 7th 1886
7 December 1886 Newspaper: Newcastle Evening Chronicle
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Another hearing
14 December 1886: Newcastle Evening Chronicle
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The auction of the floristry business
28 December 1886: Newcastle Daily Chronicle
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Extracts from The Journal of horticulture, cottage gardener and country gentlemen
1861, a report on the Newcastle Botanical and Horicultural Society's Summer Show
The silver cup presented by the President Major Woods, for the best and most tastefully arranged table decoration of flowers, plants, and fruits, was gained by Mr Thompson, gardener to Mr Lindsay Wood of South Hill, and the second prize was won by Mr J Gellender , Newcastle.
1861, a report on the Dundee International Horticultural Exhibition
Apples, Pears and Plums
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Pears excepting Jargonelles were very poor. Mrs Gellender, Denton, Newcastle, was first for twenty sorts; and Mr J Cairns, gardener to the Earl of Home, Hirsel, Coldstream, was first for the six heaviest fruit.
1878, a report on the Newcastle Summer Show
Table Decorations These formed one of the great features of this Show. The Society offered £10 as the first prize for dinner-table decorations.
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Mr Methven, gardener to E. Lange, Esq., Heathfield House, Gateshead, and Mrs Gellender, florist, Grey Street Newcastle, filled the remaining places with creditable tables.
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How very sad that he eventually went bankrupt. After doing so well at shows too. Thanks so much for this amazing information, which I will pass on. CHrissy