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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Kent => England => Kent Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Cockneyrebel on Friday 18 April 25 12:12 BST (UK)
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Family rumour has it that a lady named Ann or Sophia born to the above family was born in Kent about 1791 and married aged 16 in about 1807 to a much older man, a colonel in the East India Company who apparently had a castle in Kent or elsewhere. He treated her very badly and they had 2 children, he then died before she was 18 so about 1809? I don't know whether the children died but she married again in the 1820s.
Cr
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It's difficult with so little to go on.
There aren't many Lorrimers (or variants) in Kent.
Do you know who she remarried? Is she on the 1841 or 1851 census? An 1851 census entry would be very useful as it should give her birth parish.
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So the two children would be called Lorrimer and born 1807-1809.
If they survived they should be on census.
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There is a Sophia Lorrimer born 1791, maybe her father William Lorrimer is the much older man?
Or have I got the wrong end of the stick there and Lorrimer was her maiden name?
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Ann or Sophia married John Harrison in 1821 (he died 26 Jul 1834) when she was 29-30, so it's believed that she was married before to the older colonel of Kent. At 1841 she was a widow aged 50 with 7 Harrison children living in Old Windsor. In 1851 she was a widow Harrison aged 60 living in Marylebone with 2 of her Harrison children. As Sophia Harrison she died 11 Jan 1862 in Maidstone, Bower Place, Kent aged 71.
Cr
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On the 1861 census (if I've found the correct entry) it looks like her place of birth is Boughton Malherbe.
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A possible marriage
John Harrison and Sophia Carter 22nd Dec 1821, St Martin-In-The-Fields, Westminster. No mention of whether she was a widow.
You would expect a marriage licence if she was so young at her first marriage.
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CR
See a couple of trees on Ancestry have a daughter of John and Sophia, named Clarissa HARRISON marrying a James CAZALY, whose mother was a Lorimer. James and Clarissa and their daughters came down under.
Are they part of the same CAZALY line you were asking about recently in the London board.
There is a Sophia LORIMER born 1791 in Stepney d/o William and Elizabeth that some trees have as the Sophia who married CARTER and then John HARRISON.
Ann LORIMER who married James CAZALY is said to have the same parents as the Sophia, William LORIMER and Elizabeth HANCOCK.
Ian C
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Bearkat and Eyesee that is the correct marriage and family from the London board. Where did you find the 1861 Census, I couldn't find it?
Cr
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She's in Bower Place Maidstone.
Household schedule number: 177
RG9/501
Folio 76
Page 34
Her place of birth has been transcribed as Boughton under Blean but says Boughton Malherbe.
Her occupation is widow of a retired farmer. This is a correction to a long word which I think says Gentlewoman.
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Here's a lovely photo of Clay Hall, Windsor where Sophia was living in 1841
https://collection.sciencemuseumgroup.org.uk/objects/co509033/clay-hall-in-old-windsor-berkshire
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Thank you again Bearkat for the photo and census details-where did you find the census-was it recorded wrongly?
Cr
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Family story again says that Sophia's 2nd husband John Harrison was brought up by an aunt Mrs Storey after his father died, I can't find any references to her?
Cr
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Thank you again Bearkat for the photo and census details-where did you find the census-was it recorded wrongly?
Cr
FindMyPast have transcribed the surname as Harrisson which is what I think it says.
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Thank you bearkat you've helped me to find 2 more family members on that census.
Cr
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Family story again says that Sophia's 2nd husband John Harrison was brought up by an aunt Mrs Storey after his father died, I can't find any references to her?
Per death announcements, John Harrison was 50 when he died, so born circa 1784. I looked for a Harrison/Storey marriage circa 1740-1760 and this one popped up:
Joseph Storey and Mary Harrison, All Saints Fulham, 10 July 1757
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Thank you bearkat, excellent research.
Cr
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Ann or Sophia married John Harrison in 1821 (he died 26 Jul 1834) when she was 29-30, so it's believed that she was married before to the older colonel of Kent. At 1841 she was a widow aged 50 with 7 Harrison children living in Old Windsor
Just noting that three of the Harrison children in the 1841 census were born before the 1821 marriage: Thomas, 25, a sculptor; Frederic 23, an artist, and Clarissa, 20, independent. From a previous marriage?
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Kent newspapers, January 1862
On the 11th inst., at Bower-place, Maidstone, Sophia, relict of the late John Harrison, Esq. of Welbeck-street, Cavendish-square, aged 71 years.
Her place of birth has been transcribed as Boughton under Blean but says Boughton Malherbe.
Her occupation is widow of a retired farmer. This is a correction to a long word which I think says Gentlewoman.
Is it a bid odd that the 1861 cesus entry was changed to widow of a retired farmer when husband John was an artist?
Is it also odd that Sophia has the same birthplace as the widowed Sarah Harrisson, 58, of the previous household in Bower Place? :-\
In the 1851 census entry for Sarah at Hope Farm in Lenham it says Husband was Farmer. Proprietor Houses & Land
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGL2-2BJ
Her husband seems to have been Edmund Harrisson who was buried at Boughton Malherbe, 24 Feb 1849, age 60.
Most likely Sarah was Edmund's second wife.
Quite a few Harrisson/Harrison entries in the Boughton Malherbe registers, including Johns. A John Harrisson married Anne Usmar there, 6 March 1816. I don't have access to this.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJD2-GQXP
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I'm not sure what to make of it all.
John Harrisson & Anne Usmar married by licence.
Witnesses were George Harrisson & Susan Harrisson
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ShaunJ 2 of the children on the 1841 Census were from John Harrison's previous marriage, Clarissa and Amelia (who isn't recorded there) were both Sophia's children with John, born 1822 and 1821. Maybe the 2 grandchildren (can't find them) shown at 1861 were from the two brothers Thomas and Frederic of 1841? The 1861 census shows Sophia with her daughter Emily too. I don't think that Sarah is Sophia. It may well be that Sophia returned to her county of birth before she died.
Cr
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Maybe the 2 grandchildren (can't find them) shown at 1861 were from the two brothers Thomas and Frederic of 1841?
The two granddaughters were aged 23 and 24 in 1861 so born 1836-8.
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Maybe Sophia and Sarah were sisters or sisters in law? Seems strange they were both born in Boughton Malherbe?
Cr
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Another idea, little is known about John Harrison's birth or his father's who was also John, maybe Edmund was a brother?
Cr
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Ann Lorrimer married James Cazaly 31 December 1808 at St Paul's, Covent Garden.
I can see 2 possible children to the marriage
James baptised I January 1808 at Saint Leonards, Shoreditch (Born 27 August) of Queen St
Elizabeth Sophia Ann 13 July 1820 at Saint Leonards, Shoreditch. James was described as a Gentleman.
Just to add the is a Cazaly family history here
https://www.shade.id.au/Cazaly/CAZALY%20history%20summary%20v2.pdf
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It appears that Edmund Harrisson married Elizabeth Boorman in 1819 then Sarah Boorman in 1826, there was a Sophia Boorman born 1788?
Cr
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bearkat, James was the only child born 1809 but his father died in 1810 so Elizabeth wasn't his.
Cr
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Ann Lorrimer married James Cazaly 31 December 1808 at St Paul's, Covent Garden.
I can see 2 possible children to the marriage
James baptised I January 1808 at Saint Leonards, Shoreditch (Born 27 August) of Queen St
Elizabeth Sophia Ann 13 July 1820 at Saint Leonards, Shoreditch. James was described as a Gentleman.
See my reply #7.
James William Cazaly, son of James and Ann, married Clarissa Harrison, daughter of John and Sophia. They came down under to Australia with their three daughters. James died in New Zealand.
On Findagrave - https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/215040678/james-william-cazaly
Links to Clarissa and two of the daughters
Ian C
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Elizabeth's mother was Elizabeth not Ann.
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There were other Cazalys in NZ in the 1850s according to PapersPast.
Ian C
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I'm aware of the Cazaly's in Australia and NZ but thank you for the link to the grave photo.
Cr
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Clarissa's brother Charles HARRISON and sister Emily HARRISON also came out to Australia. They are both interred in the same plot as Clarissa at Manly.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146120145/charles-harrison
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/146120146/emily-harrison
Julia HARRISON married James GORDON on 4 Jan 1848 at St Pancras Church, sister Emily one of the witnesses. The other witness was James Hinton BAVERSTOCK.
There was an older sister as well named Amelia HARRISON, born c1822. She married James Hinton BAVERSTOCK at St Marylebone in 1840. Amelia died in 1893
The son Frederick who you mentioned was from John's first marriage died in 1847, according to a couple of trees.
Can't find the youngest daughter Sophia, supposedly aged 4 in 1841. If John died in 1834 then she could not be his at that age.
Ian C
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Yes Eyesee I'm aware of those children and their marriages. Of course Sophia bc1836 may have the wrong age on the 1841 census as they rounded the ages didn't they?
According to another tree on Ancestry John was married to an Emily before Sophia with whom he had 5 children including Amelia, Julia and a Frederick and 2 other sons.
Cr
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I'm not sure what to make of it all.
John Harrisson & Anne Usmar married by licence.
Witnesses were George Harrisson & Susan Harrisson
I've found the marriage licence
John Harrison of Boughton Malherbe, yeoman, bachelor and Ann Usmar of the same, spinster 5 March 1816.
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It appears that Edmund Harrisson married Elizabeth Boorman in 1819 then Sarah Boorman in 1826, there was a Sophia Boorman born 1788?
Cr
Marriage licence
Edmund Harrisson (31) of Boughton Malherbe, farmer, bachelor and Elizabeth Boorman (23) of the same, spinster (23) 2 October 1819
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I prefer the Boorman marriages, bearkat.
Cr
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It appears that Edmund Harrisson married Elizabeth Boorman in 1819 then Sarah Boorman in 1826, there was a Sophia Boorman born 1788?
Cr
Sorry, not finding a marriage licence for Sarah Boorman.
The marriage entry for Elizabeth & Edmund says they married by licence.
It also say that they married 'the consent of friends' which I have not come across before.
John Filmer & Sarah Boorman were witnesses.
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Is this the marriage of Edmund Harrison to Sarah Boorman?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01trb/
image 5
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I can't see it bearkat but yes Edmund married Elizabeth Boorman 4/10/1819 Boughton-Malherbe according to Kent bmds but recorded as Edmund Harrison with 1 s. Sarah Boorman he married 6/1/1826 at Chatham according to Anc England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1988.
Cr
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Here's the long link
https://cityark.medway.gov.uk/wwwopacx/wwwopac.ashx?command=getcontent&server=files&value=P085-01-54(1).pdf
If you go the images on the left, it's number 5. They married by banns. He was a widower and she a spinster. Edmund signed his name Harrisson.
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Yes I can see it now bearkat. Very useful information-is that the Kent OPC? I guess they were sisters, Elizabeth and Sarah, wonder if 'our' Sophia was a sister too?
Cr
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Medway Archives have put the Diocese of Rochester parish records online - very useful
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Some of the Boormans were non-conformists. Sarah & Elizabeth were common names. Searching with certainty is difficult. A will might help.
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PRC wills are indexed here
https://wills.kentarchives.org.uk/
PCC wills can be found on the National Archives website
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/wills-1384-1858/
and can also be found on Ancestry
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Cr
Have you seen this website.
https://boormanfamily.weebly.com/
Ian C