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Title: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 14 April 25 14:08 BST (UK)
I am wondering if there is another more detailed marriage record for Ellen, who married Patrick Ryan 6 Jan 1885 Kings, New York.
The New York, U.S., Extracted Marriage Index, 1866-1937, just gives their names, but I'm wondering if other records might give parents' names.

On an ancestry tree, I came across names for Ellen's parents but with no reference, James Cleary and Mary Keating and it gave Ellen's birthplace as Clonmel, Tipperary. But no references.

I have children's names for Ellen and Patrick. I'm interested in finding her parents or any siblings of Ellen.
Title: Re: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: athacliath62 on Monday 14 April 25 14:19 BST (UK)
See this link : https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7684391

The second part of the records includes place of birth and parents names

(New York City - Dept. of Records and Information Services)
Title: Re: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: athacliath62 on Monday 14 April 25 14:35 BST (UK)
Also a transcript on FamilySearch (https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CN-95JB?lang=en), except they have the bride's mother as Mary Kentucky instead of Keating!
Title: Re: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: shellyesq on Monday 14 April 25 16:31 BST (UK)
Ellen's death certificate gives the same parents' names.  https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/714960
Title: Re: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: RJ137 on Monday 14 April 25 16:57 BST (UK)
Quote from: shellyesq on Monday 14 April 25 16:31 BST (UK)
Ellen's death certificate gives the same parents' names.  https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/714960

You missed the "4" on the end of the url

https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/7149604
Title: Re: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 14 April 25 16:59 BST (UK)
Ok, thanks for confirming the names of the parents.
I will see if I can find her birth; I didn't have any luck earlier on.
Title: Re: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: athacliath62 on Monday 14 April 25 17:41 BST (UK)
Her age was a little under-estimated on marriage etc, quite common so birth was before the start of birth records, likely baptism in Clonmel (St. Mary's) 24th June 1860 : https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632165#page/119/mode/1up  (top entry right hand page - twin with a James jnr.)
Title: Re: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: Bellevue on Monday 14 April 25 18:30 BST (UK)
Quote from: athacliath62 on Monday 14 April 25 17:41 BST (UK)
Her age was a little under-estimated on marriage etc, quite common so birth was before the start of birth records, likely baptism in Clonmel (St. Mary's) 24th June 1860 : https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632165#page/119/mode/1up  (top entry right hand page - twin with a James jnr.)

Well spotted. Thanks
Title: Re: Ellen Cleary born c.1865 Tipperary died 1944 NY
Post by: shellyesq on Monday 14 April 25 20:51 BST (UK)
Ellen's obituary is here, but no mention of parents or siblings.  https://www.newspapers.com/article/brooklyn-eagle-obituary-for-ellen-cleary/170311470/