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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: Elizlloyd on Saturday 12 April 25 10:54 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for a birth record for Edward Smith born 1698 Tredegar.My 6 x Great Grandfather. I would appreciate any information on his Smith family as well.
My information so far on Edward Smith born 1698 I am struggling to find his birth. he is buried 1734 in St Mary The virgin Church Caldicot he was a yeoman and had a farm called claypits farm Burwash Chepstow. I have a copy of his Will.
My dad said the boundaries so that might have something to do with me not finding him.
Thank you in advance for your help.
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How do you know that he was born in Tredegar
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Who did he marry & which of his children are you descended from?
There is no age on the 1734 burial record - how have you determined his birthyear was 1698?
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Somebody has a tree on Ancestry showing he married Elizabeth Herbert 1725 & had 4 children
No info on his parentage
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Somebody has a tree on Ancestry showing he married Elizabeth Herbert 1725 & had 4 children
No info on his parentage
Elizabeth "fits" wife named in will and date of marriage "fits" first born, Vere, bap 1726.
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CaroleW
Thank you for replying Edward Smith married Elizabeth Herbert 1725 St Mary's Church Redcliffe Bristol and I descend from there son Thomas Smith .
Edward Smith and Elizabeth Smith had four children Anne, Vere 1726 Thomas 1729 and Edward Smith all noted in Edward Smith's Will also a William Herbert signed it brother of Elizabeth Herbert, also Vere Herbert and William Herbert are in documents to do with Herefordshire as William Herbert married Henry Scudamore daughter Winifred Scudamore they lived at Caldicott Court in Caldicott I would like to know where that is.
Thanks
Elizĺloyd
In Edward Smith's burial record on freereg.org it gives his abode as Pwdrgar in Caldicot I have looked for a place called Pwdrgar but couldn't find anything and wondered if it meant Tredegar instead.
Who did he marry & which of his children are you descended from?
There is no age on the 1734 burial record - how have you determined his birthyear was 1698?
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CaroleW
Yes that is my family tree on Ancestry under my actual name but I am stuck on the Smith line.
Thanks
Elizlloyd
Somebody has a tree on Ancestry showing he married Elizabeth Herbert 1725 & had 4 children
No info on his parentage
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It does look as though it could say Tredegar on his burial but that would normally indicate where he was living at the time rather than a place of birth, unless of course Tredegar was the 'family seat' ;D.
Do you have a burial for his wife Elizabeth :-\
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Herbert and William Herbert are in documents to do with Herefordshire as William Herbert married Henry Scudamore daughter Winifred Scudamore they lived at Caldicott Court in Caldicott I would like to know where that is.
See column 4 - possibility?
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3396038/3396046/96/caldicot%2BOR%2Bcourt
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Have you checked Welsh Journals?
https://journals.library.wales/
Note - if your search key is more than 1 word wrap with " "
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rosie99
Hello no I have been unable to find a burial record for Elizabeth Herbert I have searched but found nothing.
I would welcome help with finding her burial record
Thanks
Elizlloyd
It does look as though it could say Tredegar on his burial but that would normally indicate where he was living at the time rather than a place of birth, unless of course Tredegar was the 'family seat' ;D.
Do you have a burial for his wife Elizabeth :-\
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Reply #8 identifies a possibility for Caldicot Court. You can find the tithe commutation numbers listed here -
https://places.library.wales/search/51.592/-2.745/18.00?refine=&page=1&rows=100&sort=score&order=desc&query=lammocks
Click on "View Map" to scroll around area (the Castle is a good reference point) or "View Apportionments" as appropriate.
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hanes teulu
Thank you for your reply very much, yes this is Caldicot Court I appreciate you finding this article, in this newspaper. This is a breakthrough in my research in finding more on Caldicot Court and where it was. A very good find on your part.
The article makes for interesting reading on Caldicit Court it gives plenty of information on what is being sold, and where it is located. I would not have found this article without your help thanks and good it shows where it was located.
It is good to read the description of where Caldicot Court was, which I am thrilled about as I have looked for it for so long. I will try and find Caldicot Court on a map with these details thanks very much.
Thanks
Elizlloyd
Herbert and William Herbert are in documents to do with Herefordshire as William Herbert married Henry Scudamore daughter Winifred Scudamore they lived at Caldicott Court in Caldicott I would like to know where that is.
See column 4 - possibility?
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3396038/3396046/96/caldicot%2BOR%2Bcourt
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This map shows "Court House" in the location of the Tithe map buildings 176 and 177 and how it appears in "modern" Caldicot.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16.0&lat=51.59135&lon=-2.74747&layers=6&right=ESRIWorld
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hanes teulu
Thanks yes I have just been looking on these two maps good to see them side by side and to see Court House in modern Caldicot.
Thanks for sharing this link that brings up these two maps, good to see Court House which was once Caldicot Court now known as Court House in Caldicot, good this building is still there and so close to beautiful Caldicot Castle. Thanks for your help.
Thanks
Elizlloyd
This map shows "Court House" in the location of the Tithe map buildings 176 and 177 and how it appears in "modern" Caldicot.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=16.0&lat=51.59135&lon=-2.74747&layers=6&right=ESRIWorld
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When I posted the "side by side" maps I assumed that the new estate had seen the old properties demolished. However, driving around Castle Lea on Streetview, 2 old properties can be partly seen surrounded by the new.
They don't match the shape of the buildings on the old maps but are certainly in the right spot if you place the cursor over the main building on the old map. But the most recent "old map" (1954) shows changes to the main building.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102346091#zoom=8.1&lat=2636&lon=10926&layers=BT
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hanes teulu
Thanks yes when I saw the two maps side by side I was surprised to see those two buildings still there in the middle the new estate.
I have just looked at this building on the old 1954 map and yes it looks like an original building even though it has had an addition added to the property It is where Vere Herbert and his family lived in 1707 to when he passed away 1727. If I am right in thinking, that it is good this building is still there and the other old building too maybe they are both protected properties. Thanks for your help.
Thanks
Elizlloyd.
When I posted the "side by side" maps I assumed that the new estate had seen the old properties demolished. However, driving around Castle Lea on Streetview, 2 old properties can be partly seen surrounded by the new.
They don't match the shape of the buildings on the old maps but are certainly in the right spot if you place the cursor over the main building on the old map. But the most recent "old map" (1954) shows changes to the main building.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/102346091#zoom=8.1&lat=2636&lon=10926&layers=BT