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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: calidris on Tuesday 08 April 25 21:11 BST (UK)
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Dear all,
I need your help, at the cemetery All Saints' Milford and St. Mary's Everton, at Milfort on Sea in a grave Scott B Wilson (1864-1923) is buried with John Hakesley, does anyone know what their relationship is?
Yours, Justin
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Presume this info is from a headstone so apart from the name - what other info is shown for John?
Have you checked freebmd for a death? I can't see a Hampshire death for that name
Have you researched Scott B Wilson's Ancestry to establish any connection?
Who owns the grave?
You could contact the Records Office & give them the grave number. They may be able to give you some help
Scott Barchard Wilson was b Wandsworth
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death of Scott B Wilson
Q1 1923
Lymington, Hampshire
age 58
From probate his full name was Scott Barchard Wilson of Rodburn Everton near Lymington...to Emma Amelia Wilson widow...
In 1921 he is staying at the Trout Inn, Lechlade Berkshire. Occupation, none, same address as probate.
Marriage
Scott B Wilson
Emma A Keates or Clements
Q3 1920
Brighton Sussex
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Further information about John Hakesley would be very helpful.
There is a John Harry Hakesley death for Lymington but that was in 2012 (birth 1933).
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is buried with John Hakesley, does anyone know what their relationship is?
Just in the same plot do you mean? If so there needn't have been any relationship between them.
More information required from the headstone as others have mentioned would be helpful please.
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It is an unmarked grave, and they are buried in the same plot. As already noticed by another member, not uncommon, is that not familiar people are buried in the same grave, and my guess that it is also happend here. But anyone who can help a bit is very welcome.
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If it's unmarked - where did you find the info re the additional person?
Have you checked with the Records Office whether it was a private or a public grave? I suspect it was a private grave as he left nearly £2k. You really need to ask the RO for the circumstances of the additional body
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The info is from the Church from two days ago.
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As in previous replies - no death for John so who is buried with who - & why?
Ask the church when John Hakesley died? If he died long before 1923 then had the lease (or similar) on his grave expired & was then released as a "new" grave?
There is no point trying to establish a connection between the 2 when there is no obvious record of a death for Hakesley.
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John H Hakesley
Registration Q1 1933
Birmingham Vol 6d p433
Mother's Maiden Name Britten
Parents seem to be Harry and Lottie both from Birmingham area
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Hi,
This seems very odd. I found this list,
https://www.milfordhistory.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/all-saints-alphabetical-deceased-listing-apr-2013-1.pdf
Which shows,
Ref No Name DOD Age Burial Date Ashes Burial Year Are Co Row Zone GraveI
1770 John Hakesley 13/01/2012 79 07/02/2012 2012 3 Fa 25 3Fa25a2
but,
Ref No Name DOD Age Burial Date Ashes Burial Year Are Co Row Zone GraveI
1842 Scott Barchard Wilson * 24/01/1923 58 1923 3 G 25 3G25a
Ref No Name DOD Age Burial Date Ashes Burial Year Are Co Row Zone GraveI
1841 Elizabeth Mary Reeves 18/05/2004 0 2004 3 G 25 3G25a
The references are very similar but I'm not sure if John HAKESLEY is in the same column?
This article says "Scott Barchard Wilson is buried in an unmarked grave at All Saints' Church Graveyard in Milford on the Sea. The burial site is situated between the grave of Reeves to the right and the grave of Wilcox to the left, and is so old it is buried beneath the surface" I've no idea what that means.
https://hiaudubon.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Elepaio75.6.pdf
I wonder if James HAKESLEY's reference means he had his ashes placed on or near Scott WILSON's grave?
I can't find a map of the churchyard so I think it would be worth contacting the church again to see if they can explain this.
Regards,
Daisy
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What I received:
I have checked our records and we have a Scott Barchard Wilson who died age 58 in 1923.
If this is the correct name, age and date then the grave is in our area 3, behind the church.
Row G and Column 25, we will mark the plot with a pole today.
The plots near there are TRIST, REEVES and WILLCOX.
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Just to say that the plot is marked for John Hakesley, the name Wilson does not appear on the tablet.
Their remains appear to be buried together, I assume therefore that Scott Wilson and John Hakesley are related.
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@reply #11
That last link –the biography– is very interesting. It says that Scott B Wilson committed suicide. Perhaps this is why I couldn’t find anything about his death in newspapers.
Please could someone educate me: in 1923, what was the policy of the Church on the burial of suicides?
Added: More careful reading of the linked article reveals that there was coverage of the death in a local paper that is not available at BNA (The Lymington & South Hants Chronicle, 25 January 1923).
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I'm still confused, the table shows John HAKESLEY is in Co. Fa not G maybe it's because it is ashes?
I wonder if there could be any information available here?
https://www.hants.gov.uk/birthsdeathsandceremonies/coroners/inquests/historic-data
This info. is about suicides and burials,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interments_(felo_de_se)_Act_1882
Daisy