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Is there a record of a birth/baptism for Fred Hoyle born in Bawtry, Yorkshire around 1878.
He married Alice (unsure of a surname) which i'm always looking for.
They had a daughter called Edith Hoyle born 28th of October 1906 in sheffield.
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birth registration for Edith has mothers maiden name Lee - the General Register Office website is free to search for births which helpfully give mothers names
marriage Dec 1905 Sheffield - Fred Hoyle Alice Lee
you can also search the Free BMD index for births for Fred - do you have him on census with parents?
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Hello milliepede,
I never thought to look on freeBMD
unfortunately, i don't have him on a census with his parents.
I'll check freeBMD out.
Thanks
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Not sure which registration district Bawtry is under but there are 3 Fred's and a Frederick born in 1878.
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This 1881 census has a 3 year old Fred born Bawtry as a possible candidate
Richard Hoyle 40 head
Eliza 37 wife
Martha A 14 dau
Alfred 13 son
William R 11 son
Elinor 9 dau
Lilian 6 dau
Edith H 4 dau
Fred 3 son
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This might be him registered Dec 1877 Doncaster which covers Bawtry
GRO has mothers name Matlender
Edith born 1876 has Mallender
Marriage Dec 1864 Doncaster
Richard Hoyle Eliza Mallinder
so a few different spellings there
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Hope this is the correct family.
Fred is still with parents in 1891 (and indeed 1901)
and there are 2 more children to add to the list
Alberta 9
Nora 7
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If you get a copy of the marriage certificate it will give you his father's name.
December quarter 1905 Sheffield vol. 9c page 1028
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Bawtry was in the reg. district of Doncaster until 1938, which has a rather elaborate name in early GRO records:
HOYLE, FRED mmn MATLENDER
GRO Reference: 1877 D Quarter in DONCASTER IN THE COUNTIES OF YORK AND NOTTINGHAM Volume 09C Page 735
ADDED: The MMN probably incorrect. Marriage appears to be:
Hoyle, Richard E MALLINDER, Eliza Doncaster 9c 798 DecQ 1864
and the family is in the 1881 census at Scot Lane, Bawtry with Fred as the youngest of 7 children.
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Baptism;
28 Oct 1877, St Nicholas, Bawtry
FRED Hoyle, Parents RICHARD/ELIZA
Fathers Occp Machine Maker
Sibling bapts;
MARTHA ANNE 23 Sep 1866
ALFRED 14 Mar 1868
ADA SARAH 22 Nov 1873 buried 25 Nov 1873 age 10mths
LILIAN 15 Nov 1874
ELEANOR 15 Nov 1874
WILLIAM REEVES 15 Nov 1874
EDITH HARRIETT 25 Jun 1876
NORAH 03 Jun 1883
Marriage;
Eliza MALLINDER
Richard HOYLE 29 Nov 1864 same Church
Bachelor/Spinster
Fathers GEORGE Hoyle/WILLIAM Mallinder, machine maker and labourer
Witnesses Charles and Sarah Hoyle
Bapt same Church
RICHARD Hoyle 18 Jan 1841 to GEORGE/MARTH, Father a Blacksmith
RICHARD Hoyle buried 07 Jul 1908 age 67, abode 22 Ashley Road Sheffield
ELIZA buried 19 May 1911 age 69, abode 21 Ashley Road Sheffield
(Source FreeREG)
Trish :)
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I have posted a lot but M/C of Fred really needs to be bought to confirm his Fathers name/occp.
1841 Census
Bawtry
George Hoyle 25 Blackksmith
Martha Hoyle 25
George Hoyle 5
Charles Hoyle 2
RICHARD Hoyle 5 Mo
Martha not born in County
Please not there are 2 George/Martha Hoyle families around. The other George is a Weaver.
Its easiest to search for Martha Hoyle c 1814 Corringham, Lincolnshire.
Checked childrens birth regs and confirmed this of Richard;
HOYLE, RICHARD mmn WILKINSON***
GRO Reference: 1840 D Quarter in OF DONCASTER IN THE COUNTIES OF YORK (WEST RIDING) Volume 22 Page 71
That means George/Martha didnt marry until 1839 Derbyshire.
1st 2 children 1841 Census were born before Marriage.
George c 1836 marries as George Hoyle Wilkinson and death reg is the same.
Aah Marriage is on FreeREG 05 Feb 1839 Chesterfield
Bapt of Charles on Anc 24 Apr. 1839*
FreeREG;
GEORGE Wilkinson bapt 07 Mar 1837 Holy Trinity and St Oswald, Finningley, Notts
Mother Martha
Abode Blaxton*
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Boarders of Notts/Lincs/Yorks are a bit confusing to me here in Oz!
But may have figured out where George c 1814 was baptised.
1839 Marriage has his Father as Richard, Blacksmith..
Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Blaxton
Blaxton is a village in the Metropolitan Borough of Doncaster on the border with Lincolnshire. It lies to the north of Finningley.
POB for George on a Census is Blaxton.
F/S.Org;
Baptism 25 April 1813
Finningley, Nottinghamshire
GEORGE Hoyle to RICHARD/SARAH
Yes on FreeREG also;
Father a Blacksmith
Siblings CHARLES 1814/HARRIETT 1817/WILLIAM 1818/JANE 1819
Abode Blaxton***
1841 Census
Blaxton, Yorkshire
Richard Hoyle 50 Blacksmith
Ann Hoyle 50
Charles Hoyle 25
George Hoyle 4
Marriage;
07 Dec 1832, Holy Trinity and St Oswald, Finningley, Notts
Richard HOYLE to Ann ATHEY
Does not state widowed but pretty sure is correct as;
SARAH Hoyle buried same 21 Jun 1822 age 37, abode Blaxton*
HARRIET Hoyle buried 21 Sep 1838 age 21
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Boarders of Notts/Lincs/Yorks are a bit confusing to me here in Oz!
Think Border Corners in Australia. ;)
Surveyor Generals Corner – WA/NT/SA
Poeppel Corner – NT/SA/Qld
Haddon Corner – SA/Qld
Cameron Corner – SA/Qld/NSW
MacCabe Corner – SA/Vic/NSW
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Very true ;D
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Amended. This NLS ref is to the FIRST six-inch OS layer when Yorkshire had been surveyed but the midlands had not. (1830s to 1880s). It shows Bawtry almost surrounded by blank, unsurveyed Notts/Lincs. It also shows Bawtry was a small township of 259 acres (black italic font) within the ecclesiastical parish of Blyth 3039 acres (hollow roman font).
https://mapseries-tilesets.s3.amazonaws.com/maps/explore/index.html#zoom=14.0&lat=53.43975&lon=-1.05528&layers=257&b=ESRIWorld&o=100
The tripoint where 3 counties meet is north-east of Bawtry at the Turn Bridge, after which the R. Idle is the Lincs/Notts boundary
Another tripoint is located further south at the Shire Oak:
Yorkshire - Thorpe Salvin
Derbyshire - Whitwell
Nottinghamshire - Shireoaks
The latter is appropriately named, but has had three places where a Shire Oak tree stood, because the exact boundary has been moved over time.
ADDED: This NLS reference may be temporary while the website is down for servicing
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Very true ;D
Off Topic, but . . . .
I used to work in Maastricht.
Nearby is a tripoint, where The Netherlands, Belgium and Germany meet!
Called "Drielanddenpunt" in Dutch, "Dreiländereck" in German and "Trois Bornes" in French, it is the highest point in The Netherlands at 322 metres.
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Tripoints are interesting places, usually quite remote.
I have spent time assembling a table of all the acreages given on this early 6" series for the whole wapentake of Strafforth. There was quite a lot of change along the eastern boundary on maps between 1850-1901. In 1850 Austerfield and Bawtry were the two townships which comprised the part of the ecclesiastical parish of Blyth in Yorkshire, but the parish extended over the county boundary. Similarly Auckley and Blaxton townships were the Yorkshire part of Finningley parish.
This is the same landscape c1890-1901, but by then all the acreages are for civil parishes, which are more closely approximate to the earlier townships.
https://mapseries-tilesets.s3.amazonaws.com/maps/explore/index.html#zoom=14.0&lat=53.43280&lon=-1.01792&layers=6&b=ESRIWorld&o=100
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Hopefully N.Demaine92 will be on here again soon to see what has been posted for them :)