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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: ikas on Wednesday 02 April 25 11:44 BST (UK)
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Marriage cert from 1860. I would like opinions on John Henderson's mother's surname. TIA
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Did you mean to post an image so we could look and form an opinion?
Boo
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Yes, forgot to attach. ;D
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Looks a bit like 'Muir' but not sure.
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Looks a bit like 'Muir' but not sure.
Think that's the bride's mother Pennines?
I think the groom's mmn starts with Br , but its very unclear. I'd be asking SP to see if the original is clearer to read
Boo
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Is this a transcript possible from Family search
Name John Henderson
Age 22
Birth Year (Estimated) 1838
Marital Status Single
Father's Name John Henderson
Father's Sex Male
Mother's Name Mary Brown
Mother's Sex Female
Spouse's Name Janet Mitchell
Spouse's Age 25
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated) 1835
Spouse's Marital Status Single
Spouse's Father's Name David Mitchell
Spouse's Father's Sex Male
Spouse's Mother's Name Janet Muir
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 21 Jun 1860
Event Place New Monkland, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:6TLK-MVST?lang=en
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GC1 - Yes that is the family but I'm not sure if Brown is correct.
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GC1 - Yes that is the family but I'm not sure if Brown is correct.
May I ask why ???
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I read it as Brown myself but I cannot find John Henderson's birth record on SP ca 1838 (calculated). Tried searching for parent names John and Mary but nothing like Brown comes up. I was hoping someone would come up with an alternative.
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Brown is what I saw at first - before reading the rest of the replies and before comparing the first letter with the 'B' of Banns
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Oh Gosh Boo - I was looking at the bride's mother's surname -- so sorry.
Yes - another vote for the groom's mother's surname as Brown.
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Can I ask where this image comes from and is there a link that we can see the original please. It could help to see more so as to compare other possible first letter matches.
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Can I ask where this image comes from and is there a link that we can see the original please. It could help to see more so as to compare other possible first letter matches.
Its a Marriage Record from Scotland's People so the only way to see it is to pay for it
Boo
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His mother's maiden name when he died aged 83 in 1920 was Brown.
SS
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1841 census records John's parents both born Ireland, possibly married in Ireland prior to coming to Scotland. Daughter Agness born Scotland c1823
John Henderson
40 Ireland
Mary Henderson 35 Ireland
Agness Henderson
18
Mary Henderson
14
Elisabeth Henderson
11
Sarah Henderson
8
John Henderson
6
Adam Henderson
4 Mo
SS
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In 1841/51 in John's household is an Adam Henderson--nephew. Believe 2 brother married 2 sisters.
HENDERSON
ADAM
JAMES HENDERSON/JANET BROWN FR466 (FR466)
M
23/01/1841
656
20 / 152
Stonehouse.
SS
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Apologies but I have been out and I only picked up latest messages just now. Thanks to all who have replied.
GC1 - The crop is from a SP marriage record. I think the forum rules do not allow the full record to be posted. I now accept the surname is Brown.
Softly Softly - Many thanks for your efforts. I much appreciate your assistance. I do hope you are not out of pocket. I am trying to link my Henderson line to a match on MH. I have built up his tree from a female Henderson at the top through the line posted by GC1 on Family Search. I will need to study your posts in more detail tonight as again I have to go out. I have been trying to trace my Irish ethnicity since my test in 2020. It looks as though you might have found it!
I will update this thread tomorrow.
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Well done, Softly Softly - great research for ikas.
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Info only.
John Henderson's(c1837) father John Henderson c1799/1804 is still alive in 1861 census. He is with his daughter Agnes McGuire and grandson Thomas McGuire. Thomas McGuire was actually born as Thomas Henderson 15th January 1858 Beith, Ayrshire, the Illegitimate son of Agnes Henderson-occupation Muslin Hewer.
James the father was also a widower so wife died between 1851-61
SS
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To conclude. John's mother's MS was Brown.
I still cannot connect my matches Henderson line to my own however I am off to look again at the John Henderson b ca 1781 at the top of my tree. I have never found a BC for him only a MC. I will look for him in Irish records given the information posted by SS.
Thanks to all and especially SS for your efforts on my behalf.
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Are we talking about John and Mary ??? (sorry too many John's)
Name John Henderson
Sex Male
Spouse's Name Mary Brown
Spouse's Sex Female
Event Type Marriage
Event Date 13 Dec 1817
Event Place Gorbals, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTB8-1RM?lang=en
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V long shot (Quick Baptism worries me ???)
Name John Henderson
Gender Male
Age 0
Birth Date 23 Jul 1781
Baptism Date 29 Jul 1781
Baptism Place Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland
Residence Date 1781
Residence Place Hamilton, Lanarkshire, Scotland
Father John Henderson
Mother Lily Syms
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/60143/records/25073966
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Thanks GC1. As you say a long shot but Lanarkshire encouraging.