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Title: Territorial?
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Tuesday 01 April 25 19:43 BST (UK)
Does this Photo imply he was a Territorial?

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Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: alan o on Tuesday 01 April 25 20:37 BST (UK)
The shoulder title might be TF or possibly a Y for Yeomanry above a county title.
Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Tuesday 01 April 25 20:55 BST (UK)
Cheers for your Input.

A Friend thought a T meant Territorial

But the Family think he was in Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers 1st Btn then 6th Btn but Friend thought they didn't have Territorials

Discharged 1919 on Silver War Badge as a Cpl

Yet another friend stated the Black Shoulder Triangle Patch was only 2nd Btn that he wasn't in and never a Sgt

Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Tuesday 01 April 25 21:38 BST (UK)
Ooops just found his Records as 9905 he was in the 2nd  Btn and was a Paid Sgt in April 1918 until his Field Court Martial in September 1918 when he was Reduced in Rank to Cpl
Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: alan o on Wednesday 02 April 25 07:19 BST (UK)
What you see is a curved lower title with RInniskilling and above that a single fusilier grenade.

As you are probably aware the crossed flags on his arm means that he was a qualified signaller.
Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Wednesday 02 April 25 14:29 BST (UK)
Cheers alano

 that solves what we thought looked like a T on his Shoulder

Next Question is the Shoulder Black Triangle Patch only 2nd Btn Inniskilling Fusiliers?

Would it stay with him if he Transferred to their 1st Btn ? and later 6th Btn ?

Does the Photo he was a Sgt and Signals ?

Does he look aged 26 ?
Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Wednesday 02 April 25 22:04 BST (UK)
Do the Flags above his Sgt Stripes means he was a Recruitment Sgt as someone has suggested to me
or in the Signals?
Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: alan o on Thursday 03 April 25 17:12 BST (UK)
100% signals.  he is likely to be the Signal Platoon Sgt.

The recruiters badge was more ornate and had a crown above the flags.
Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Thursday 03 April 25 17:15 BST (UK)
Cheers alano
Just what I thought.
Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Thursday 03 April 25 18:11 BST (UK)
100% signals.  he is likely to be the Signal Platoon Sgt.

The recruiters badge was more ornate and had a crown above the flags.

His Records show he was Transferred into 2nd Btn Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers in 1910 who were the only  Btn to have  had a Black Triangle Shoulder Patch
His Records show he missed a Signalling Practice Session in Aldershot 23 May 1912 because of Drunkeness
He went to India 1912 for 2 years
1914 he was Transferred to the 1st Btn and in 1915 sent to Gallipoli then France - wounded July 1917 became Cpl then Lance  Sgt in 26 Oct 1917 in the 3rd Btn in Londonderry then Paid Sgt from 15 April 1918 till his Field Court Martial in May 1918 then reduced in Rank to Lance Corporal then  Cpl in September 1918 Discharged February 1919 on Silver War Badge
The Family believe the Photo is Him as 6th Btn Recruitment Sgt in April 1918
But the Records suggest it is Not him but someone else he knew.

Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: alan o on Friday 04 April 25 09:14 BST (UK)
The shoulder patch would date the photo to 1916-19 as the were not worn before then so if he was not in the 2nd bn then and you are correct about only them wearing it, then it is not him.  The recruiter badge was a peacetime thing worn on red tunics so the flags are signallers as suggested.
Title: Re: Territorial?
Post by: ALAMO2008 on Friday 04 April 25 09:56 BST (UK)
Cheers alano Your Input helps alot.