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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: sunflower on Sunday 30 March 25 15:58 BST (UK)
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I'm thinking of sending for a marriage certificate for my ancestors who married in Cork in
1845.
Which is the best site to use and does it give the same information as an English marriage
certificate?
Thanks
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Civil registration of non-Catholic marriages began in 1845 (includes Registry Office ones) and they can be viewed here (free)-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
If the marriage took place in a Catholic church then you'll need to search for the church's register- many of them here free also but coverage varies from church to church=
https://registers.nli.ie/
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Thanks very much. It looks like the marriage took place in a Catholic Church, so does that mean
there wouldn't be a certificate?
Thanks
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Unfortunately there won't be a marriage certificate - Civil Registration for Births, Deaths and Roman Catholic marriages only began in 1864.
As aghadowey said - it was only non-catholic marriages which were formally registered from 1845.
So you are simply dependant on the Parish Record.
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Thank you
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Example of Parish register marriage records - St Mary's Cork City 1845.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633158?locale=en#page/6/mode/1up
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Yes if they were Catholic their marriage would not be registered until 1864. And 1845 was when registration of Protestant marriage began. My ancestor wed in Dublin in 1848 to a Protestant.
What are the names of your ancestors who wed in Cork in 1845, we could help you find their marriage, if the example in the link posted by hanes teulu is to go by, the marriage register likely gave 2 witnesses at least.
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Cork R.C marriages are also in the Church records of https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/
R.C. baptisms and mariages are name indexed in Ancestry (lumped together).
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61039/
They are separate on Findmypast and that is free to search with just a logon/registration.
Ancestry & Findmypast use the NLI microfilm images.
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/ireland-roman-catholic-parish-marriages
Civil records in Ireland are identical to English/Wales ones with the exception of deaths which additionally have marital status.
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Thanks everyone for the replies. Very helpful.
The story so far ..............
The marriage took place at Macroom, Cork 27 Sept 1845 between Patrick Keleher (lots of variations) and Ellen Cronin. I have got a copy of the entry. The only clue I have is a Hugo Keleher is mentioned on the entry and a Hugh Keleher was mentioned on the baptism entry of their first child Murty in 1846 also at Macroom. Ellen's birth would be c 1821 and Patrick's c 1823. By 1849 they had moved to London. Ellen died in 1861 aged 40 and Patrick I believe in 1878 aged 53. He had several convictions for neglecting his family and also a few trips to the workhouse.
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Have you checked the baptisms?
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0077?locale=en
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Thanks you
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The marriage took place at Macroom, Cork 27 Sept 1845 between Patrick Keleher (lots of variations) and Ellen Cronin. I have got a copy of the entry. The only clue I have is a Hugo Keleher is mentioned on the entry and a Hugh Keleher was mentioned on the baptism entry of their first child Murty in 1846 also at Macroom. Ellen's birth would be c 1821 and Patrick's c 1823. By 1849 they had moved to London. Ellen died in 1861 aged 40 and Patrick I believe in 1878 aged 53. He had several convictions for neglecting his family and also a few trips to the workhouse.
Do you have the names, in birth order, of their children? That will be very valuable in choosing between alternatives.
e.g. There were two Ellen Cronins baptized in Macroom in 1821
Ellen, 7/1/1821, daughter of Jeremiah and Mary Neill, and
Ellen, 6/8/1821, daughter of Patrick and Ellen Walsh, address Coolcore. Interestingly, a sponsor of the latter was a Bartholomew Keleher.
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Thanks very much. Possibly the 2nd one as one of their children was Bartholomew and there was also a Ellen. No Jeremiah or Mary
Thanks
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Closest Patrick Keleher baptism in Macroom is on 7/8/1818. Of course he might not have been from the parish?