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Hi Everyone,
I'm trying to find information on the Cooper family from Gt Glen. According to other family trees on A*****Y I believe them to be Non Conformist. But I'm having trouble finding any records at all.
I have George Cooper married in Thurlaston 26 Feb 1799 to Ann Jesson Trying to find who their children were and when they were born/baptised
Any help much appreciated
Bunnygirl
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Hard to know if the same couple but Bapts St Mary, Hinckley to GEORGE/ANN Cooper;
GEORGE 20 Mar 1805, birth 14 Jan 1805
MARY ANN 1 Mar 1808, birth 22 Aug 1807
GEORGE 18 Oct 1809
ELIZA 18 Oct 1809
+ a ANN Cooper buried same Church 17 Mar 1822 age 44
(FreeREG)
EDIT looked at a Tree and they quote George dying 1855 Billesdon
1851 George Cooper born 1790 Gt Glnn (sic), Leicestershire, is unmarried!
1841 he has no Wife or children with him in Glen Magna.
Abode Gt Glenn
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The marriage record has George of "Kirkby Mallory" and Ann of "Normanton Torville". A witness is a Sarah Jesson.
FindMyPast baptism (image)
William, son of Geo. & Ann Cooper of Normanton was baptized 21 Aug (1799).
The marriage licence on FindMyPast is very difficult to read but mentions a Richard Jesson of Normanton. The transcript shows age 19 against Ann and 24 against George - occpn. farmer.
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Thanks Trish1120
Yes that's George's death. Death certificate states a farmer grazier of Gt Glen. Present at the death a Mary Harrison of Nottingham no relationship to George shown.
I have looked to see who this Mary Harrison was and found a Mary Cooper of Great Glen marrying John Harrison 3 June 1822 and then found on census living in Nottingham. So maybe she was George's daughter? Her marriage states she was 27 at time of marriage so she was born about 1795 so probably not the Hinckley one..
Thanks again Trish
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Yes that's the William Cooper I'm trying to get back on. He marries Elizabeth Waldren 6 August 1829 in Oadby
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Newspaper Marriage Notices which refer to children of "George Cooper, Gent, Great Glen/Glen Magna"
2 Oct 1824 - Eliza, youngest daughter to a Henry Freeman
8 Jun 1822 - Mary, second daughter to a Mr Harrison
8 Aug 1829 - William, youngest son to an Elizabeth Waldren
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However, there is a 19 Mar 1825 death notice of -
"Mary, on the 11th inst. at Great Glen, age 59, wife of George Cooper, gent".
and a 30 Jul 1831 death notice of -
On the 25th inst, in his 80th year, much respected George Cooper, gent of Great Glen
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Re the 1855 Billesdon death of George Cooper, the newspaper death notices give his age as 65. The GRO death registration also has age 65. His burial record shows 65.
A YoB of 1790 does not "fit" a 1799 marriage?
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Thankyou very much hanes teule
Yes I agree the YOB and marriage does'nt "fit". I need to look into it all tomorrow. I thought if I could find some baptisms that might help piece it together.
Many thanks for the newspaper information I will add to tree and see how it all fits in.
Bunnygirl
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I was looking at the will of a George Cooper 1855 Gt. Glen on the national archives, do you have the will? Probate 20th Oct 1855 Prerogative Court of Canterbury.
He mentions siblings including a Mary Harrison married to John.
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Hi Willsy
Yes I found the Will yesterday so not had chance to do anything yet... but it looks hard going as my eye sight is not that good now a days.
So Mary Harrison is his sister not his daughter? I've got George born about 1775 & Mary about 1795
Looks like we are both researching very similar surnames!
Bunnygirl
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I was looking for you on this Cooper, been a while since I looked for my Cooper!
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Hope this will help you out
The other sister mentioned is Eliza Coleman, her husband Henry Freeman Coleman esq. also.
Married at St.Margaret 1 Oct. 1824 by Lic.
Marriages witnesses Edward Chater and George Cooper-looks like there are a couple of letters after his name ???
Everybody signed the register
George's will mentions a brother William
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The lic. for Elizabeth to Henry Freeman Coleman states Elizabeth is 26yrs and upwards, of Great Glen and a spinster; hoping to find some baptisms I came across
Non-Conformist baptisms
Presbyterian
Great Meeting Unitarian Chapel, Leicester
Parents George and Mary, parish of Great Glen
George Cooper 13 Feb 1790
and you are right about Mary 1795
hanes teulu found both of the marriages for the Cooper girls in the newspaper so I looked for George Cooper 1831 and he left a will also, PCC.
The will dated 24 March 1825
Wife Mary, sons George and William ( William isn't 21 yet)
17 Dec 1831 proved and granted to George Cooper the son and sole executor
St Cuthbert Churchyard George's burial 1855 with parents George and Mary
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tqe/
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Thank you very much Willsy.
Well before I start doing to much on the Gt Glen Cooper's I need to verify my William Cooper who marries Elizabeth Waldren 6 Aug 1829 in Oadby. License states William a bachelor aged 24 & Elizabeth of Oadby aged 18yrs + with consent of her mother Elizabeth Waldren widow.
So if age of William is correct he would have been born about 1803/4/5. The one I have on my tree at present is William son of George & Ann Cooper baptized 21 August 1799 at Thurlaston
So more research to do!
Thanks again for your help it's much appreciated
Bunnygirl
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Just to add, had a look at the marriage to Elizabeth Waldren, Eliz. Coleman, Henry Freeman Coleman, Edward Chater and George Cooper jnr. are witnesses.
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Hi Willsy
Thank you very much.
Well I think that confirms I was going in the right direction.
William's age on Marriage seems to be born about 1804/5 the baptism I have for him is 1799 Thurlaston ?
His burial in 1859 shows age was 53 years . I have his Will he does'nt mention any children by name he has a few under the age of 21 and Elizabeth has already died in 1851 so he appoints 2 guardians
Thank you again
Bunnygirl
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You're welcome
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Baptisms for children of William and Emma: being non-con, the transcripts contain more info than usual. Apologies if you already have this info.
Alfred, born 18.4.1848 and bapt 23.11.1848, presby.independent at Narborough. Abode Enderby/Enderby Grange. Mmn Waldron; her father's name John, of Oadby
Also:
Arthur (born 14.3.1847, bapt 18 Mar 1847)
Eliza (born 21.9.1839, bapt 28.5.1840) (but family living in Great Glen)
Elizabeth Waldren (b 20 or 30 Aug 1830, bapt 23 Sept 1830; abode Great Glen,bapt Kibworth Harcourt)
George? No mmn etc given,but born 1833 Great Glen and bapt Kibworth as above
Jane Susanna, 1841, Enderby/Narborough
John Waldron, 1844, Enderby/Narborough
Louisa?? No mmn etc; 1836, Great Glen/Kibworth
Possibly another Louisa, no family details, 1850,Enderby
Mary?? NO family details. 1835, Great Glen/Kibworth
Mary Burges, 1846, Enderby/Narborough
Waldren, 1832, Great Glen/Kibworth
William Waldern 1831/32, Great Glen/Kibworth
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Newspaper Marriage Notices which refer to children of "George Cooper, Gent, Great Glen/Glen Magna"
2 Oct 1824 - Eliza, youngest daughter to a Henry Freeman
8 Jun 1822 - Mary, second daughter to a Mr Harrison
8 Aug 1829 - William, youngest son to an Elizabeth Waldren
I'm looking at the noncon baptism registers (on the Leic FHS CD) and there's no Eliza Cooper with a father George listed at all. Neither, come to that, is there a Mary or a william!
Perhaps the index is incomplete? Perhaps the family "converted" to non-conformism after the birth of their children? Where were the children born, according to censuses?
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I've found the baptism of George Cooper of Great Glenn; son of George and Mary Cooper, b 9 Jan 1790 and bapt 13 Feb 1790 (non-con; (presbytarian); bapt in Leicester).
This George's gravestone confirms that he died in 1855 was a Gent, and was the son of George and Mary Cooper.
His parents are also buried at Great Glenn; George Cooper, gent, died 25 July 1831 age 79,and in the same grave, his wife Mary, died 11 March 1825, age 59.
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Marriage licence in 1796 between George Cooper of Great Glenn and Mary BURGESS of Leicester. George was a farmer and grazier, age 30 years; Mary was 20, and of the parish of St Martin.
Note that one of William and Elizabeth Cooper's children was given the middle name of Burges ---
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Many thanks Annie65115
Yes I have a Mary Burgess Cooper born 1845 Enderby. GRO has mothers maiden name as Waldren.
Will see if I can piece it all together. I need to do the Gerge Cooper Will of 1855 in hopes it gives more names.
Do you know what number CD you have from LRFHS as it may be worth getting one?
Thanks again
Bunnygirl
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The marriage of Eliza Cooper .It's shown as Elizabeth Cooper
1 October 1824 to Henry Freeman Coleman at St Margarets Leicester
Marriage by license Elizabeth spinster aged 25 Hensy of St Margarets aged 34+ witnesses Edward Chater & George Cooper
Census says Elizabeth born Gt Glen or Glen Magna
Mary's marriage at Great Glen to John Harrison 3 June 1822
Census records state born Gt Glen
Bunnygirl
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My CD is apparently "CD no.1; Leicestershire, Leicester and Rutland Indexes to Nonconformist Baptisms 1706 -c.1921 and Burials 1663 - 1978".
I can't see this on the LRFHS website now so maybe it's been discontinued?
I'm happy to do lookups for other Leic board regulars though!
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There's the will of George Cooper of Great Glen, gentleman, who died in 1798; his gravestone suggests that he was 81 years old. His will names the following:
His son George Cooper - executor
Another son Edward Cooper
Granddaughter Lidea Mary Folwell
Daughter Mary Thornton and her 4 children (unnamed, all under 21)
Grandson George Cooper, the son of George
The 1831 will of George Cooper the Elder, Great Glen,Gentleman, names the following:
Oldest son George Cooper - executor
Youngest son William Cooper (not yet 21 at the time of writing, which was 1825)
Wife Mary Cooper
The 1855 will of George Cooper, gentleman of Great Glen,has the following family members:
Sisters Mary Harrison (wife of John Harrison) and Eliza Coleman
Brother in law Henry Freeman Coleman
Brother William Cooper
He also mentions various friends, a minister, servants; and the children of Mary, Eliza and William, but doesn't name the children.
This was the most verbiose of these wills and I found the most difficult to read; I hope I haven't omitted anyone important.
So this all hangs together nicely with all the findings above.
Of particular interest re your William is the fact that he was under 21 in 1825, so he can't have been the 1799 baptism that you found.
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Remember that Mary was described as George's 2nd daughter when she married in 1824?
This might be her older sister:
Jane Susanna, eldest daughter of George Cooper, m John Baker Esq, of Bythorn, Huntingdonshire, at Great Glenn on 6 Nov 1817.
The marriage licence gives Jane's age as 25. John was a widower.
Witnesses Edward Chater and Mary Cooper.
(Note again that William and Elizabeth called one of their children Jane Susanna)
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I couldn't find baptisms for the older generation but there are also non-conformist bap. for-
Bond Street Independent
all have parents Henry Freeman Coleman and Elizabeth Cooper,
her parents are named only and as George and Mary
Hester Eliza Coleman b. 21 Sep 1827 19 Nov 1827
Henry Freeman George Coleman b 15 Feb 1829 bap. 25 Mar 1829
Mary Evans Coleman b. 9 Jun 1831 bap. 9 Jul 1831
George William Coleman b. 15 Dec 1834 bap. 13 Nov 1835
Eliza Sherrard Coleman b. 19 Jan 1833 and bap. 27 Feb 1833
In the index, what looks to be Henry the elder's bap. parents Henry and Hester, is a brother John Sherrard Coleman
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Following on from Annie65115 post for Jane Susanna
Leicester Journal 7 May 1841
On the 3rd inst. aged 49, Jane Susanna, wife of Mr. John Baker, of Barnwell St. Andrew, near Oundle, Northamptonshire, and the eldest daughter of the late Geo. Cooper, Esq. of Great Glenn, in this county, deeply regretted by an extensive and most attached circle of relatives and friends.
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There are some non-conformist baptisms online for Barnwell, Jane's parents are listed as George and Mary Cooper.
There's also some baptisms on IGI as well, if you have an account , searching for a Baker birth with father as John Baker and mother as Jane Susanna Cooper, you should find some of the children born in Bythorn; again, her parents are listed as George and Mary Cooper.
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John and Mary Harrison continued the tradition of baptising their children in the non-conformist faith, in Nottingham:
Birth 1826 02 11 Bapt 1826 05 24 Son Henry father John HARRISON Mother Mary nee COOPER Druggist Bridlesmith Ga. NOTTINGHAM St. James's Street, Independent
Birth 1828 06 17 Bapt 1828 07 01 Dau Susannah (twin) John HARRISON Mary Druggist Bridlesmith Ga. NOTTINGHAM St. James's Street, Independent Mother nee COOPER
Birth 1828 06 18 Bapt 1828 07 01 Dau Elizabeth (twin) John HARRISON Mary Druggist Bridlesmith Ga. NOTTINGHAM St. James's Street, Independent Mother nee COOPER
Birth 1833 05 30 Bapt 1833 10 06 Son George Cooper John HARRISON Mary Druggist Bridlesmith Ga. NOTTINGHAM St. James's Street, Independent Mother nee COOPER
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Thank you both very much.
Will add to tree...... any idea who the parents are of Lidea Mary Folwell ?
I'm just finishing the George Cooper Will of 1798.
And I've done the George Thornton of Blaby Will 1865 he also mentions Cooper's Blunt's and Allen all related somehow to the Coopers
Thanks again
Bunnygirl
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Marriage licence 1785
William Folwell of Little Everton in Northamptonshire and Jane Cooper of Great Glen (Benjamin Cooper was bondsman)
William was 39 and Jane, 27.
Non-con baptism of Lydia Mary Folwell, daughter of William Folwell of Everdon, Gent, and his wife Jane, 9 March 1787
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Thank you Annie your a star
Bunnygirl