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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: janjim on Saturday 22 March 25 20:41 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to find an address for my Grandfather, when he arrived in Australia from England. Charles Edmund New from Newbury England, is shown in a 1913 registry in Sydney as living at "Braeside" Duke Street, Sydney. I had been informed that the family had a corner shop at Kensington at some time after they came to Australia, but was not sure of the time span. We know that they were then living at Banksia Road, Bankstown in 1916.
Was wondering if anyone would have a map of this area, Kensington, around these years.
Jan
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sorry i dont have any maps , however you could try this link hope it helps
https://guides.sl.nsw.gov.au/maps/sydney
Cass
I am wondering if "Braeside" Duke Street, Sydney was in the suburb of Kensington. I had a look on TROVE entered "Braeside" Duke Street and up popped enteries for "Braeside," Duke-street. East Balmain. Balmain is an inner city suburb of Sydney.
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"Braeside" was in Duke St, East Balmain.
eg this obituary from 1912
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/121477068
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According to the 1912 Sydney Sands Directory, David M JONES (in the obituary above) was at 4 Duke Place (off Duke St) Balmain. There are 2 other names at the same address. In 1914 at 4 Duke Place there is a Louis JONES "Braeside". Can't see a Charles Edmund NEW.
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There is a Charles E NEW at Albert St, Strathfield in the 1913 Sydney Sands Directory.
Modified to add:
In 1914 there are 2 entries for Charles E NEW - at Albert St, Strathfield, and another at Banksia Rd, Bankstown.
In the 1913 Wise's Directory, Charles E NEW is also listed at Albert St, Strathfield.
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-522689844
Where do you have him at "Braeside, Duke St" ?
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“Braeside” was in East Balmain (as already explained), but there was also a Duke Street in Kensington
When Charles Edmund New enlisted in the army in 1916 however, he was living in Bankstown.
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There is a Charles E NEW at Albert St, Strathfield in the 1913 Sydney Sands Directory.
Modified to add:
In 1914 there are 2 entries for Charles E NEW - at Albert St, Strathfield, and another at Banksia Rd, Bankstown.
In the 1913 Wise's Directory, Charles E NEW is also listed at Albert St, Strathfield.
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-522689844
I think this may be a different man - Charles ERNEST New.
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Thank you all for your input, sorry I have taken a while to respond. My Grandfather Charles Edmund New migrated to Australia in 1912, firstly they went to Melbourne for three months. The work option was not satisfactory, so they made their way to Sydney, where eventually they bought land at 7 Banksia Road, Bankstown (Greenacre).
I note that I did find another Charles E New at Strathfield, but definitely not our family. My father was born at 7 Banksia Road, Greenacre (Bankstown) in July 1913, so I believe that they had built their home at this address by that time.
I was not aware that my Grandfather enlisted for the Army in WWI, so maybe this is the other Charles Ernest New from Strathfield.
I found this notation about Charles E New living at "Braeside" Duke Street, Sydney as a Hint on Ancestry, and assumed this was my Grandfather. Yes I see there is a Duke Street at Kensington, so immediately thought this was him, as my Father had informed me in the past that they had the little store at Kensington. The information I found at this address for Charles E New was in the Sands Directory.
That's about all I can tell you, I was particularly looking for the years that my Grandfather had this store. Later my Grandparents moved to 63 Little Street, Bankstown (Yagoona)
Thanks so much for all your assistance. Jan
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I wonder if you could give me more information on Charles Edmund New enlisted in the Army in 1916, living at Bankstown. Cannot find any further information on his service.
Jan
“Braeside” was in East Balmain (as already explained), but there was also a Duke Street in Kensington
When Charles Edmund New enlisted in the army in 1916 however, he was living in Bankstown.
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Attestation record is at Aust national archives.
Not sure if this link will work
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=9704167
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Thank you, can read the two pages, but seems he never took up duty, would that be correct?
Jan
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Don’t know; but 38 may have been too old.
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"In 1914, recruits had to be 18 to 35 years of age and at least 167.6 centimetres tall with a chest measurement of 86.3 centimetres."
- He would have been too old, and not accepted into the AIF.
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So maybe he was a Warden in the village of Bankstown at that time.
Jan
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Why do you think he was a warden?
He was working as a bricklayer at that time.
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Sorry, made a mistake, this was WWI, was thinking my Father was a Warden during WWII. Australia wasn't affected then.
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I found this notation about Charles E New living at "Braeside" Duke Street, Sydney as a Hint on Ancestry, and assumed this was my Grandfather.
Looking at Ancestry now, I can see the entry you are referring to. However, looking at the 1913 Sydney Sands Directory I can't find the entry Ancestry has referenced. As I mentioned earlier, there is a Charles E NEW, but at Albert St, Strathfield. And there are 20 listings when you search for "Braeside" none of which come up as "Duke Street". It does you make you wonder where some of their transcriptions come from. Maybe I missed it somewhere. :-\ Fortunate in Australia that many useful references are free to access.
https://archives.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/
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Don’t know; but 38 may have been too old.
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"In 1914, recruits had to be 18 to 35 years of age and at least 167.6 centimetres tall with a chest measurement of 86.3 centimetres."
- He would have been too old, and not accepted into the AIF.
I think it was a dental issue.
Something like "Refused to have teeth attended"??
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Yes, agree with you, makes one wonder where Ancestry gets this ijnformation from.
Jan
I found this notation about Charles E New living at "Braeside" Duke Street, Sydney as a Hint on Ancestry, and assumed this was my Grandfather.
Looking at Ancestry now, I can see the entry you are referring to. However, looking at the 1913 Sydney Sands Directory I can't find the entry Ancestry has referenced. As I mentioned earlier, there is a Charles E NEW, but at Albert St, Strathfield. And there are 20 listings when you search for "Braeside" none of which come up as "Duke Street". It does you make you wonder where some of their transcriptions come from. Maybe I missed it somewhere. :-\ Fortunate in Australia that many useful references are free to access.
https://archives.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/
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Well that was unusual, he was too old, so they rejected him I guess, on the grounds of not getting his teeth attended to. One wonders why he even decided to enlist, if he was over the required age.
Jan
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Don’t know; but 38 may have been too old.
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"In 1914, recruits had to be 18 to 35 years of age and at least 167.6 centimetres tall with a chest measurement of 86.3 centimetres."
- He would have been too old, and not accepted into the AIF.
I think it was a dental issue.
Something like "Refused to have teeth attended"??
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Checking my information once again, Charles Edmund New lived at 7 Banksia Road, Bankstown in 1930 and by 1932 he was living at 63 Little Road, Bankstown.
So we must be looking at the period from 1930 to 1932 when he moved to Kensington where he had the grocery business store.
Looking for information of where this might have been during that period now.
Jan