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Hello, I have posted before I think about Ann Taylor, born London in 1856/57 and in Halifax living with the Stocks family. Ann is listed as the niece, but does not say of who, so either John Stocks or Annie Elizabeth Walker, her birthplace is given a London, and as previously mentioned it could be Linton to, but there appear to be no solid births that correspond. I did wonder if her surname name could have been JAYLOR OR SAYLOR as the writing on the census is hard to make out. Would anyone have any thoughts on this please.
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It looks similar to the T in Thomas a few lines down. It is not the same as the S in Sarah or the J in Joseph
Link to earlier post with lots of replies
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=839597.0
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There maybe a tree on Ancestry.co.uk or Find my past ! that has that 1871 census with Ann Taylor age 14 in the tree. Stocks or Walker
I would work on John Stocks first to see if he is in Ancestry website tree owners tree or on FindMyPast with a family tree of the Stocks family history with 1871 census with Ann Taylor 14 in it. in the facts section profile page of John Stocks with descending life history in years ( through 1871), this could have his siblings brothers & sisters on the profile page and one sister who married a man called Taylor & the sister is mother of Ann Taylor age 14 in 1871 census born 1856/1857.
(If you get no result with a Stocks tree! then look for John Stocks wife Annie Elizabeth Walker for Ancestry website tree or FindMyPast owner of a Walker tree that has that Ann Taylor age 14 in the 1871 census in it and a sibling sister who married a man called Taylor and the mother of Ann Taylor)
Looking for a marriage of Ann Taylor born 1856/1857 post 1871 !! her age at marriage found ( first on Familysearch) maybe the only positive way to say a marriage of an Ann Taylor marriage maybe her ? later search on a church marriage register on film in Archives or Ancestry. co.uk. or FindMyPast or LDS libraries.
You could be lucky and by finding a tree on Ancestry.co.uk ( or .com) or FindMyPast (Both have free access in most main uk libraries if you don't subscribe to Ancestry.co.uk.)
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Alternatively you could buy the marriage certificate in Halifax off the GRO - July - Sept Qtr - 1852 or the Halifax parish church register 1852 entry maybe on Ancestry.co.uk on film at a main library as said if you are not subscribed to the website.
The Halifax 1852 marriage certificate should give both the fathers names and occupations as a starting point to look for possible baptisms of siblings of John Stocks in Halifax or Annie Elizabeth Walk in baptisms in Huddersfield.
Again - one of these Stocks or Walker girl siblings will be Ann Taylor's mother (Obviously Ann's father was called Taylor)
Good Luck
Dobby :)
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Hello,
Thanks for the replies. I dont think Ann Taylor is from the Stocks side, I would be 99% certain on that. I would have hoped to find on the Birth Gro search a Ann Taylor born London or in and around London with a mothers surname of Walker or Stocks but neither. I have struggled to find Ann Elizabeth Stocks birth or 1841 census entry, too. Her father is given as William Walker on both her marriages. It is annoying as Ancestry and Family search will sometimes show suggestion of possible matches on a later census etc, but not in Ann Taylor's case. I will check out findmypast and see if there are any leads there. Thanks again.
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Where does she fit into your FH? Is she a direct ancestor or are the Stocks your ancestors?
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The Stocks/Walker marriage was 1852. 1871 age for Ann Stocks does not tie up. Is the 1871 Ann a second wife?
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My direct paternal ancestors are the Stocks family. I would then be related to Annie Elizabeth Walker as well, who I cant find before her marriage in 1852 to John Stocks, possible entry for her in Halifax in 1851 but not confirmed. My thinking was if Ann Taylor is a relative of Annie Elizabeth Walker it would help as a link.
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STOCKS John Head M M 44 Warehouse Man Wool Yorkshire Halifax
STOCKS Ann Wife M F 33 Yorkshire Huddersfield
STOCKS George Son - M 14 Worsted Twister Yorkshire Halifax
TAYLOR Ann Niece - F 14 Book Binder London
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Yes - I have seen the 1871 entry but see my reply above - the age for Ann does not support a marriage entry for 1852.
If she was b 1838 as suggested in the 1871 entry she would not be old enough to have married in 1852
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Her age given when she died in 1894 was 58. This may not have been correct. Annie is on the 1861, 1871 and 1881 and 1891 census in Halifax.
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1861 census Age 23
1871. Age 33
1881. Age 41
1891. Age 53
1894 Death 58.
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Hi SnowyHog
Was Ann Taylor on the 1871c a visitor ??? or residing with the Stocks family at their abode, it says she is a book binder (a very skilled vocation) which usually means a trade with a lot of training or apprenticeship to live with a master book binder and at age 14 years old would be the beginning of her apprenticeship that took 7 years to complete usualy with possible records. Thus its a job that is likely she kept in later census years
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Ann is shown as niece
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Yes, she was a visitor, she was listed as a Niece, so obviously that could mean just there for an hour when the census form was filled out, or longer but I assume would have been listed as a border then.
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Long shot
Relationships on census entries were usually to head of household which suggests the possibility of a Stocks/Taylor marriage.
Have you already checked that out?
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Yes, to the best of my knowledge. Only Sister related to John that had children was Sarah, who married Edwin Halliwell.
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Elizabeth Stocks died in 1835, and Mary Stocks in 1828.
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Hello,
Thanks for the replies. I don't think Ann Taylor is from the Stocks side, I would be 99% certain on that. I would have hoped to find on the Birth Gro search a Ann Taylor born London or in and around London with a mothers surname of Walker or Stocks but neither. I have struggled to find Ann Elizabeth Stocks birth or 1841 census entry, too. Her father is given as William Walker on both her marriages. It is annoying as Ancestry and Family search will sometimes show suggestion of possible matches on a later census etc, but not in Ann Taylor's case. I will check out findmypast and see if there are any leads there. Thanks again.
I'm not so sure Sarah Stocks was the only sister of John Stocks on the 1871 census
According to the 1841 census
Geo Stocks age 45 Yorkshire
Hannah Stocks age 45 Yorkshire
( George Stocks X Hannah Blakley above married in Huddersfield 27 August 1815 - its unusual to wait 5 years to have children - thus makes me think a possible sister was born between 1815 to 1820 who was married by the 1841 census living elsewhere)
William Stocks age 20 Yorkshire
Sarah Stocks age 20 Yorkshire
(a 10 year gap of no children till John Stocks and possible room for an elder sister who is married or had an illegitimate child out of wedlock by 1841)
John Stocks aged 10 Yorkshire
(Baptised St Peter's Church Huddersfield 1831 John son of George & Hannah Stokes abode Rastrick)
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This could be Ann Elizabeth Walker on 1851 census
Ann Walker age 20 years birth year 1831 birth place Huddersfield - occupation:-Servant
See rest of people on the page most from Halifax suburbs in link below (You need to sign in first)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SP94-YWS?lang=en
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See post below by jonwarrn
Its obvious the 1871 census age of Ann wife of John Stocks is wrong age 33. (Ann E would have aged 14 in 1852 marriage to John Stocks if the Mrs Ann Stock age 33 was right (as CaroleW pointed out)
The way they got Ann Stocks age 33 wrong its possible the person who gave the enumerator the Stocks info got Ann Taylor's age and place of birth wrong also
Travel from London to visit Yorkshire for young working class girl would be expensive and hard or near impossible those days.
Possible as there is no other birth with Walker or Stocks mother to an Ann Taylor birth
TAYLOR, ANN WALKER (Mothers maiden name)
GRO Reference: 1859 M Quarter in HUNSLET Volume 09B Page 200
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Possible connection to Ann Taylor's trade as a bookbinder.
Halifax Directory of Trades and Professions for 1822
Booksellers, Stationers & Bookbinders,
• Edwards Thomas, (scarce & valuable books) Old market place
• Holden P. K. (stamp office & patent medicine vender) Old market, pl.
• Lockhead R. (law stationer) New road
• Pohlman Henry, (dealer in music and musical instruments, and fancy stationery) Corn market
• Simpson Martha, (circulating library) Crown street
• Sugden Richard, Hall end
• Walker Thomas, Silver street
• Whitley Nathan, Crown street
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Halifax/Halifax22Dry
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1861 census
STOCK Ann E Wife M F 28 YKS Huddersfield
Transcribed as age 28
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Z3-1KF
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5906c6efe9379091b141825a