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General => Armed Forces => Topic started by: rorykehoe on Tuesday 18 March 25 18:40 GMT (UK)
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Hello.
I found a tie in my late uncle's effects. Black, with a single crest (see image) which I'm guessing is linked to his time in the Army, as it was with other military things.
if anyone has any suggestions on the ID of the badge, please drop me a line.
Thanks.
Rory
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Hello
Could this maybe be from a school or organisation connected to your uncle?
The reason for asking is that on the right hand side, the two emblems look like the crossed keys symbol associated with St Peter and the Agnus Dei - lamb of God - which also indicates something perhaps religious or school related.
It doesn't look military to me, but I'm no expert!
Best wishes
Rockford
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My first thought was a school too with the cross keys.
Perhaps you will come across a photograph with the tie in it that might help.
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I agree with Rockford that it's not UK military in origin. If there is a military connection I would say it is more American due to the shape of the shield.
Perhaps you could try posting it in the Heraldry (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/heraldry/) forum to see if anyone can decode the symbols and so point towards the organisation behind the tie.
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Hi All.
Thanks for your responses and ideas. I actually solved this one by the same process as you, in that I tried to interpret the 4 items in the design. A beehive and St Peter rang a bit of a bell, as I knew that Manchester has a beehive associated with it (representing industry) and St. Peter's Field was the site of the Peterloo Massacre. Tried all the various regiments and then had a "bing" moment! Manchester Unity and the Order of Oddfellows. Yup, it turns out that my uncle must have been a card-carrying, tie-wearing Oddfellow. I never knew that! I still don't know what the other symbols represent but I may dig around and satisfy my curiosity. Thanks again. Rory
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Is it a beehive in the bottom left section ?this can denote “ Industry”, not factories but application to work and duties/ studies.
Viktoria.
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The top left looks like an hourglass. I think I have found it here, at the alamy stock image site (shortened url):
https://tinyurl.com/4hf2nmvr (https://tinyurl.com/4hf2nmvr)
The linked image is identified as : "Robin Hood's Bay, Order of Oddfellows Plaque"
added: in fact if you search the internet for “oddfellows coat of arms” you will find many more examples.
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From https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4228132 (https://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/4228132) "Odd Fellows Coat of Arms on Sparrow Hill"
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Thanks All!
The bottom R is certainly the Agnus Dei (Lamb of God) symbol, top L an hourglass (presumably representing time?) with a red rose (Lancashire?) in the middle.
I'm working on all this meaning: use time wisely, work hard, honour God and love Manchester.
I'll check this theory with the local Oddfellows' Hall. I think they are open to answering Qs about their society.
Rory
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Excellant find, Alan.
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It is a beehive then.
Viktoria.
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I think I put “beehive” and “hourglass” in my original search.