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Some Special Interests => Heraldry Crests and Coats of Arms => Topic started by: rjuoconnor on Friday 14 March 25 21:47 GMT (UK)
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I wonder if anyone has seen an image of the coat of arms of the Feryman family of Harvington, Worcestershire.
The blazon reads as follows - "Sable, three horses' heads couped argent, bridled gules, within a bordure engrailed or"
Many thanks
Robert
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Quoting from the College of Arms website:
Q. Do coats of arms belong to surnames?
A. No. There is no such thing as a 'coat of arms for a surname'. Coats of arms are inherited in the male line and so are surnames. But a coat of arms is granted or confirmed to one person and their descendants in the legitimate male line so only that family group will be entitled to the coat of arms, not everybody of that surname. As such many people of the same surname will often be entitled to completely different coats of arms, and many others of that surname will be entitled to no coat of arms at all. For any person to have a right to a coat of arms they must either have had it granted to them or be descended in the legitimate male line from a person to whom arms were granted or confirmed in the past.
https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/faqs
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Having said that:
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Thank you for that
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PS Would it be possible to remove the black background from the area beneath the shield?
Many thanks
Robert
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Bridled gules?
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Bridled gules?
Hmmm. The software I used seems to have ignored the bridle!
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Sir Myles (Standis) born Chorley Lancashire 1584. And was captain of the Mayflower,
claiming Duxbury in Massachusetts, And Cape Cod but his male blood line was from the
De Haydock Family, Witch coat of arms can he claim HAYDOCK or STANDISH ?
George.
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Sorry SIR MYLES STANDISH.
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A coat-of-arms can only be "claimed" by those of the direct male line of descent from the man who was originally awarded the arms.
See my reply #1, and the quote from The College Of Arms.
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Thankyou KGarrad, for your quick reply, So the coat of arms of Sir Myles was of the Haydock family.
Cheers George.
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A particular style of Arms were granted to the original recipient and usually styled for him only.
The Arms of a descendent AND provided the Arms were officially granted, were varied.
Their Arms may be on a Grave Memorial or in the Church of Burial or may survive in their Church of their residence.
Mark
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Harvington
See the Notes of Dr Prattinton c.1812.
Added: (Society of Antiquaries)
... "in the choir of Worcester's Cathedral Church given by Mr Thomas Feryman once prebend there"
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They appear in different stone (possibly Marble?) over the stone panel of Thomas Feriman, Rector.
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Under the Visitation of Worcestershire 1569, in the book by Robert Cooke and Richard St George
under this reference ...
Harl. 1566, ff. 167, 168.
Farmount, now called Feryman [added: see Reply #16]
https://archive.org/details/visitationsofher222732cook
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My ancestors go back to Orm De Haydock 1165 and Beyond (Saxon /Viking)
Orm De Haydock married the Kings daughter 1168, they had a son Hugh, Who was knighted by the King,
Sir Hugh De Haydock ,of Haydock (COTTAM) with a coat of arms Haydock of Lancashire ,who married
Cecelia ? and had two children ,Gilbert born 1225 and Hugh Jr De Haydock, Sir Hugh De Haydock in 1315
,Change his name to Sir Hugh De Standish as Standish Were his wife was born ,and he liked that name, Their son Robert who adopted the Standish name, and became rector of Standish.
Cheers George.
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Mr Ferryman in the Accounts of Worcester Catheral 1611 (featured online)
https://worcestercathedrallibrary.wordpress.com/2020/03/31/maintaining-worcester-cathedral-in-the-early-seventeenth-century/
Scroll down to Ferryman
Third amount:-
... "in taking downe Mr Ferymans" ...
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Peter Prattinton (1776 - 1845) bequeathed his Manuscripts Collections to the Society of Antiquaries - Short Biographies of the Worthies of Worcestershire, 1916
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The Heraldry of Worcestershire : Being a Roll of the Arms Borne by the Several Noble, Knightly, and Gentle Families, Which Have Had Property or Residence in that County, from the Earliest Period to the Present Time
London: John Russell Smith, 36, Soho Square. 1873.
Feriman, or Farmount, of Worcester
Heraldry reference to the Feriman, or Farmount, of Worcester, and the Rectors of Harvington, near Evesham.
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How interesting, if you can prove a direct, fully documented legitimate Male line to the Rector at Harvington, near Evesham, Worcestershire?
Comment amended.
Added:
"Arms are only transmitted through a female line when there is a failure of male heirs."
https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/the-law-of-arms
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Thankyou to everyone, who added their importin input, BUT my Question was, what coat of arms was Sir
Myles HAYDOCK or STANDISH As his male bloodline Was from Sir Hugh De Haydock (Standish).
Cheers George.
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Thankyou to everyone, who added their importin input, BUT my Question was, what coat of arms was Sir
Myles HAYDOCK or STANDISH As his male bloodline Was from Sir Hugh De Haydock (Standish).
Cheers George.
Burke's General Armory has this:
Haydock (Haydock, co. Lancaster ; descended from Hugh de Eydock, mentioned in the " Testa de Nevill." The eventual heiress, Joan, dau. of Sir Gilbert Haydock, m. Sir Peter Legh, of Lyme, co. Chester). Ar. a cross sa. in the dexter chief quarter a fleur-de-lis of the second.
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Thankyou, GKarrad,
your answer to my question ,leaves one uncertain ,Sir Myles Standish (Haydock), Was his coat of arms
Under Standish, or From his Haydock Male Blood line, And are all Standish from Sir Hugh De Haydock and his son Robert, Not a Standish male blood line, And all Standish family's, 'are Haydock by Male blood line,
your great intellectual to decipher which. (STIMULATING)
Cheers George.
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Back to Burke's General Armory.
No apparent link between Haydock and Standish?
Standish (Standish, CO. Lancaster; descended from Thurston De Standish. living 6 Henry 111., who inherited lands in Shevington, from his mother, Margaret de Standish, dau. and co-heiress of Robert de Hdlton. The present representative of this ancient house is Charles Strickland Lionel Widdington Standish, Esq., of Standish, grandson of Thomas Strickland, Esq., of Sizergh, CO. Westmoreland, who took the name and arms of Standish on inheriting the Standish estates).
Sa. three standing dishes ar. Crest— An owl with a rat in its talons ppr.
Standish (Duxbury, co. Lancaster, bart., extinct 1812; descended from Hcgii Standish, living 34 Edward I., second son of Ralph Standish, and grandson of Thurston de Standish, living 6 Henry III. The representative of the family. Sir Richard Standish, Bart., of Duxbury, was so created 1677, but the title expired with his great-grandson, Sir Frank Standish, third bart., d.s.p., when the estates devolved on his cousin, Frank Hall, Esq., great-grandson of Sir Thomas Standish, second bart., through his dau.
Margaret, who took for her second husband Anthony Hall. Esq., of Flass, and d. 1776. Mr. Hall assumed, on inheriting, the name and arms of Standish, but d. s.p. in 1841, and was s. by his cousin, William Standish Carr, Esq., of Cocken Hall, co. Durham, grandson of the Rev. Ralph Carr, M.A., Rector of Alderlcigh, co. Chester, by Anne, his wife, dau. of Anthony Hall, Esq., of Flass, and Margaret, his wife, dau. of Sir Thomas Standish, second bart. Of Duxbury. Mr. Carr assumed by sign manual, 6 May, 1841, the surname and arms of Standish only). Same Arms.
Crest — A cock ar. combed and wattled gu.
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Hi,KGarrad.
Once again your reply on Standish male blood line, Is not the blood line of Sir Myles De (Standish) Haydock, It Comes from his G. father, Sir Hugh De Haydock, And Sir Gilbert De Haydock, Male blood line Haydock Lancashire, From Orm De Haydock, Sir Hugh started a false Standish, Male Blood line and all family's from his DNA Are Haydock Blood line.
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I was quoting from Burke's General Armory published in 1884.
Full title "The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland, and Wales, Comprising a Registry of Armorial Bearings from the Earliest to the Present Time".
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Ok, KGarrad,
Ill drop this subject, Thankyou for your professional opinion.
Cheers George.