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Title: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: pwllheli on Thursday 13 March 25 19:27 GMT (UK)
Can anyone tell me when/why the border between Merionethshire and Caernarfonshire was changed - in the Beddgelert/Nanmor area.
All rywun ddwed wrthyf pryd/pam y newidwyd ffin Meirion/Arfon yn ardal Beddgelert/Nanmor?
Title: Re: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: collwyn ap tangno on Tuesday 18 March 25 00:49 GMT (UK)
Fe wnai ateb yn y iaith fain..

County boundaries usually followed commote boundaries, but the priory fell outside this normal arrangement because Llewelyn Fawr gifted the land to them but it is unclear if Nanmor was within this. Colin Gresham created a paper about this subject but I haven’t got a copy. (the last prior of Bedkelert …or similar!)

After dissolution the parish retained the priory boundaries and then Nanmor became part of Beddgelert but still within Merionethshire. Landowners (wynne of bodvel /glynllifon?) may have had an influence.

In between 1890 and 1895 the Nanmor part of Beddgelert became part of  Caernarvonshire.

Gobeithio fod hwn yn rhoi fwy o atebion nac cwestiynnau!

Hwyl
Title: Re: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: collwyn ap tangno on Tuesday 18 March 25 08:16 GMT (UK)
Helo eto, Gresham’s book:Eifionydd states that the boundaries of the parish were reorganised several times. This was a result of number of owners after dissolution including Anne of Cleeves and Queen Mary, the church of Beddgelert being within the parish of llanfihangel y pennant at this time. Eventually, Sir John Bodvel came to own the land, gifted to him after he was standard bearer in the kett rebellion.

Gresham states: A reorganization  of boundaries was clearly necessary, and this was done by cutting off the prior’s land and the hamlet oerddwr from llanfihangel y pennant and giving them to the parish of Beddgelert. Llanfihangel was then served with another parish in Eifionydd. Much later, perhaps in the seventeenth century, the district of nanmor in merioneth…was given to beddgelert
Title: Re: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: MollyC on Tuesday 18 March 25 08:27 GMT (UK)
If it was that period then the date is probably 1894 when there was a major rationalisation of local boundaries across Britiain.
Title: Re: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 18 March 25 15:50 GMT (UK)
Quote from: MollyC on Tuesday 18 March 25 08:27 GMT (UK)
If it was that period then the date is probably 1894 when there was a major rationalisation of local boundaries across Britiain.

Spot on!
From FamilySearch's "Parishes of Historic Merionethshire"
Parish - Beddgelert
Title: Re: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 18 March 25 16:02 GMT (UK)
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4456772/4456778/55/nantmor
Title: Re: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 18 March 25 16:09 GMT (UK)
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3602094/3602099/63/nantmor
Title: Re: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 18 March 25 16:14 GMT (UK)
There was an alternative view -
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3314041/3314049/47/nantmor

Title: Re: Merionethshire-Caernarfonshire border change
Post by: hanes teulu on Tuesday 18 March 25 16:26 GMT (UK)
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4278406/4278418/81/nantmor